Better nuke Israel before it is too late

Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab neighbours.

The unprecedented disclosure came as Israel announced that states
'harbouring terrorists' are legitimate targets, responding to Syria's
declaration of its right to self-defence should Israel bomb its
territory again.

According to Israeli and Bush administration officials interviewed by
the Los Angeles Times, the sea-launch capability gives Israel the
ability to target Iran more easily should the Iranians develop their own
nuclear weapons.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/inter...061381,00.html

ddd wrote in message
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Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab
neighbours.
snip

Harpoon carries a nuke? I didn't see any mention of it. Sounds like
another ghost story. Setting that aside, I wish the Israelis good
hunting.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-84.htm

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http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

"ddd" wrote in message
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Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab neighbours.



I think they meant Popyeye Turbo cruise missiles. Not Harpoon . Popeye could
be around 1500 kilometers, Harpoon is anti shipping. and around 120 km.
They should have written, 'Harpoon equipped submarines with additional
indigenous cruise missiles.
The subs were/are the third leg of Israel's nuclear delivery capability.

ExpatEgghead

Subject: Better nuke Israel before it is too late
From: ddd
Date: 10/11/03 10:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

The unprecedented disclosure came as Israel announced that states
'harbouring terrorists' are legitimate targets, responding to Syria's
declaration of its right to self-defence should Israel bomb its
territory again.

Whistling in the dark Syria is too cowardly to challenge Israel again. That is
why they send in terrorists to do what they are afraid to do.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Adrian" wrote in message ...
"ddd" wrote in message
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Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab neighbours.



I think they meant Popyeye Turbo cruise missiles. Not Harpoon . Popeye could
be around 1500 kilometers, Harpoon is anti shipping. and around 120 km.
They should have written, 'Harpoon equipped submarines with additional
indigenous cruise missiles.
The subs were/are the third leg of Israel's nuclear delivery capability.

ExpatEgghead

I think you are right. It was the Israeli Popeye Turbo that was
test-fired off South Africa a few years back with German assistance.
The Germans modified the torpedo tubes to be able to fire the cruise
missile. The nuclear sea-capability was already there without the need
for the Harpoon.

Rob

ddd ) wrote:
: Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

: Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
: Sunday October 12, 2003
: The Observer

: Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
: US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
: Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
: only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab neighbours.

: The unprecedented disclosure came as Israel announced that states
: 'harbouring terrorists' are legitimate targets, responding to Syria's
: declaration of its right to self-defence should Israel bomb its
: territory again.

Didn't somebody once say that, in fighting terrorism, we will
make no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor
them?

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:11:50 -0500, "tscottme"
wrote:

ddd wrote in message
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Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab
neighbours.
snip

Harpoon carries a nuke? I didn't see any mention of it. Sounds like
another ghost story. Setting that aside, I wish the Israelis good
hunting.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-84.htm

I never heard of a nuke 'poon, I believe that this is just more
anti-US propaganda.

Al Minyard

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:15:54 +0200, "Adrian"
wrote:


"ddd" wrote in message
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Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab neighbours.



I think they meant Popyeye Turbo cruise missiles. Not Harpoon . Popeye could
be around 1500 kilometers, Harpoon is anti shipping. and around 120 km.
They should have written, 'Harpoon equipped submarines with additional
indigenous cruise missiles.
The subs were/are the third leg of Israel's nuclear delivery capability.

ExpatEgghead

Either way, the thought of a bunch of religious zealots with nukes
scares the daylights out of me.

Al Minyard

Yes, but we all forget the Israeli policy and the use of nuclear weapons. It
is called the Sampson Option. It basically says that Israel will only use
Nukes as a last resort and they are backed against the wall and their AF and
Army have lost. With that said a 20 Kt warhead would be able to penetrate a
reactor and destroy the Iranian Nuclear program! Lets just hope it never
comes to that!


"Merlin Dorfman" wrote in message
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ddd ) wrote:
: Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

: Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
: Sunday October 12, 2003
: The Observer

: Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
: US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
: Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
: only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab neighbours.

: The unprecedented disclosure came as Israel announced that states
: 'harbouring terrorists' are legitimate targets, responding to Syria's
: declaration of its right to self-defence should Israel bomb its
: territory again.

Didn't somebody once say that, in fighting terrorism, we will
make no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor
them?

Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:15:54 +0200, "Adrian"
wrote:


"ddd" wrote in message
...
Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab neighbours.



I think they meant Popyeye Turbo cruise missiles. Not Harpoon . Popeye could
be around 1500 kilometers, Harpoon is anti shipping. and around 120 km.
They should have written, 'Harpoon equipped submarines with additional
indigenous cruise missiles.
The subs were/are the third leg of Israel's nuclear delivery capability.

ExpatEgghead

Either way, the thought of a bunch of religious zealots with nukes
scares the daylights out of me.

Al Minyard

Are you talking about Israelis or the Bush Administration, Al? If you
are talking about the Israelis you're wrong as usual. Israeli society
is largely secular and their Knesset is always a coalition govt. of
every sort. Your avg Israeli citizen just wants peace with the
Palestinians and in the region. But they aren't stupid enough to
believe Yasser Arafat's lies and ties to Hamas. Once a terrorist,
always a terrorist. So, despite a real yearning for peace most
Israelis must go along with Sharon's military suppression approach
which perpetuates the cycle of violence. Israel is smaller than New
Jersey and giving half of it away to an avowed terrorist with Hamas
connections is akin to national suicide. Sharon is certainly a hawk
but a hawk is needed when there's a snake loose.
Regarding the nuclear sea capability, it was already in place when the
Germans delivered the modified subs. That was years ago and Israel
hasn't fired a shot in anger. So why are you complaining? Russia has
about twice the number of nukes the US has and you don't seem to care
about them. Or how about Iran's religious zealots that are trying to
build one? Or the Communist DPRK that hates the US?
You need to get your priorities straight IMO.

Rob