NATCA Going Down in Flames

"Emily" wrote in message
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I'm still trying to figure out how that's not hard. At least where I fly,
it's very difficult to not enter controlled airspace.


You can enter controlled airspace VFR without using ATC.

"Montblack" wrote in message
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"Cleared for takeoff ...I love saying that."


You're a very bad man.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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Jay Honeck wrote:

Really? I find it fascinating.

Unfortunately, it's the same fascination that won't let you avert your
eyes when you're witnessing a train wreck. Controllers, by their
actions, have harmed GA's chances of avoiding privatization in ways
that no other single action could have accoplished. And we're all
going to pay for it.

All because they don't want to be "forced" to wear dockers and a nice
shirt to work.


Why should government employees that aren't even seen by the customer
be forced to wear dockers and a nice shirt to work while private sector
employees that must interact with customers, like those at the Alexis
Park Inn, can dress like bums?

Simply because Alexis Park Inn is a private enterprise which is subject to
its customers' preferences for its survival. If the customers dislike the
dress code at the Inn enough, they will take their business elsewhere.

Your position appears to be solely based on your noted dislike of
government employees.

Government employees are not subject to market forces the way private
sector employees are. Customer dissatisfaction with their product does not
cause them lose jobs or pay. Therefore, they do not necessarily feel the
same pressure to produce goods and services that satisfy their customers.

An external device, such as a reasonable dress code, might go a long way
towards instituting some of that discipline.

The only reason controllers can feel like they can oppose management on
every issue is because they think the government monopoly that has
provided them with their jobs and pay is forever going to be there.

They are wrong.

Sinan

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Jim Burns wrote:
Avoid class A, B, C, D, & E.... 1 mile clear of clouds
Jim

I'm well aware of when radio contact with ATC and an IFR flight plan is
is necessary, thank you. I simply fail to see how all of the above is
not difficult.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Emily" wrote in message
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I'm still trying to figure out how that's not hard. At least where I fly,
it's very difficult to not enter controlled airspace.


You can enter controlled airspace VFR without using ATC.


Only class E.

"Emily" wrote in message
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Only class E.


Correct.

"A. Sinan Unur" wrote in message
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Government employees are not subject to market forces the way private
sector employees are. Customer dissatisfaction with their product does not
cause them lose jobs or pay. Therefore, they do not necessarily feel the
same pressure to produce goods and services that satisfy their customers.

An external device, such as a reasonable dress code, might go a long way
towards instituting some of that discipline.


How?



The only reason controllers can feel like they can oppose management on
every issue is because they think the government monopoly that has
provided them with their jobs and pay is forever going to be there.

They are wrong.


But ATC will always be a monopoly.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Emily" wrote in message
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Only class E.


Correct.


So how is it now difficult to never require contact with ATC?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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"A. Sinan Unur" wrote in message
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Government employees are not subject to market forces the way private
sector employees are. Customer dissatisfaction with their product
does not cause them lose jobs or pay. Therefore, they do not
necessarily feel the same pressure to produce goods and services that
satisfy their customers.

An external device, such as a reasonable dress code, might go a long
way towards instituting some of that discipline.


How?

Unit cohesion. Helps people get used to following directives.

The only reason controllers can feel like they can oppose management
on every issue is because they think the government monopoly that has
provided them with their jobs and pay is forever going to be there.

They are wrong.


But ATC will always be a monopoly.

Just like telecoms, electricity etc, right?

How about, renewable franchise licences with 5 year contracts, open
bidding competition for the franchise to operate an ATC for said period.
Infrastructure and services provided by possibly different firms.

Naaah, can't happen.

Sinan

PS: I take it now you understand why the Alexis Park Inn employees are
different than gov't employees?

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"A. Sinan Unur" wrote in message
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Just like telecoms, electricity etc, right?

How about, renewable franchise licences with 5 year contracts, open
bidding competition for the franchise to operate an ATC for said period.
Infrastructure and services provided by possibly different firms.

Naaah, can't happen.


There's no competition there.



PS: I take it now you understand why the Alexis Park Inn employees are
different than gov't employees?


The difference is Jay doesn't like government employees.