Pakistan's Musharraf to resign as president

"Tiger" wrote in message
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La N wrote:
"eatfastnoodle" wrote in message
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On Aug 14, 9:16 pm, "La N" wrote:

"Tiger" wrote in message

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Just when the world is watching something else, the other shoe drops....

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Pakistan's Musharraf to resign as president: report

2 hours, 56 minutes ago

Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf will resign rather than face
impeachment by parliament, the Financial Times said on its Web site,
citing government officials and a member of his circle.

Just yesterday, I believe, I was watching on some news shows interviews
with
Pakistanis who say that the hatred that Pakistanis have had against
America
is because of the US support of Musharraf who is very unpopular in his
own
country.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

- nilita


I believe it's more of the other way around. Musharraf is hated
because of his alliance with US. Blair used to be hottie NO.1 in
Britain until he became Bush's poodle NO.1 in the eyes of his
countrymen. The former Spanish prime minister got himself voted out of
office because he was seen too close to the US. I suppose you don't
seriously believe US is hated because of Musharraf? I mean, come on.

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Okay, you tell me .... why *do* the Pakistanis hate the U.S.?

- nilita

Dropping bombs on non Talibans has not won many hearts & minds for a
start....


True enough. Many faux pas committed. Even *moi* as a canuckistanian
sillyvillain has had to say "oh oh" more than a few times when watching CNN.
I can truly understand why Americans are seen as "terrorists" in some parts
of the world.

- nilita

On Aug 14, 10:41*pm, "La N" wrote:
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On Aug 14, 10:30 pm, "La N" wrote:



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On Aug 14, 9:16 pm, "La N" wrote:

"Tiger" wrote in message

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Just when the world is watching something else, the other shoe
drops....

Yahoo! News

Pakistan's Musharraf to resign as president: report

2 hours, 56 minutes ago

Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf will resign rather than face
impeachment by parliament, the Financial Times said on its Web site,
citing government officials and a member of his circle.

Just yesterday, I believe, I was watching on some news shows interviews
with
Pakistanis who say that the hatred that Pakistanis have had against
America
is because of the US support of Musharraf who is very unpopular in his
own
country.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

- nilita

I believe it's more of the other way around. Musharraf is hated
because of his alliance with US. Blair used to be hottie NO.1 in
Britain until he became Bush's poodle NO.1 in the eyes of his
countrymen. The former Spanish prime minister got himself voted out of
office because he was seen too close to the US. I suppose you don't
seriously believe US is hated because of Musharraf? I mean, come on.

****************

Okay, you tell me .... why *do* the Pakistanis hate the U.S.?

- nilita

You do know Pakistan is a Islamic country, you do know Muslim around
the world call each other brother. You do know a good chunk, if not
the majority of Muslims, consider the "war on terror" is just a
disguise for the "war on Islam". You do know America abandoned
Pakistan and left Pakistan in the dust more than a few times. And
that's the problems America have for Muslims. Even in Europe and
Canada, America could only be described toxic over last few years, I
suppose you know the few European leaders lost their jobs at least
partially because of their close association with America. Add it up.
You will know.

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"Countries don't have friends; they have allies".

- nilita

well, I seriously don't know what to say.

"Tiger" wrote in message
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This is something the world does not need right now. Musharraf was a bad
guy, but at least a stable bad guy on our side. What next???? Is a very
good question for the region.


Stable!

On our side!

Look, he was a military dictator who sponsors Islamic terror on a huge
scale.

The training camps that are directed against India produced both sets of
London bombers, the gang that went 'bang' and the gang that went 'phut'.

He's one of the bad guys who managed, like a couple of others, to fool the
US into thinking he was on their side.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"La N" wrote in message
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"eatfastnoodle" wrote in message
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On Aug 14, 9:16 pm, "La N" wrote:
"Tiger" wrote in message

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Just when the world is watching something else, the other shoe
drops....

Yahoo! News

Pakistan's Musharraf to resign as president: report

2 hours, 56 minutes ago

Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf will resign rather than face
impeachment by parliament, the Financial Times said on its Web site,
citing government officials and a member of his circle.

Just yesterday, I believe, I was watching on some news shows interviews
with
Pakistanis who say that the hatred that Pakistanis have had against
America
is because of the US support of Musharraf who is very unpopular in his
own
country.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

- nilita

I believe it's more of the other way around. Musharraf is hated
because of his alliance with US. Blair used to be hottie NO.1 in
Britain until he became Bush's poodle NO.1 in the eyes of his
countrymen. The former Spanish prime minister got himself voted out of
office because he was seen too close to the US. I suppose you don't
seriously believe US is hated because of Musharraf? I mean, come on.

****************

Okay, you tell me .... why *do* the Pakistanis hate the U.S.?


Because the US Air Force keeps blowing up weddings there by mistake...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:07:34 -0400, Tiger
wrote:

Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf will resign rather than face
impeachment by parliament, the Financial Times said on its Web site,
citing government officials and a member of his circle.


The consequence will be a power struggle between the two "democratic"
blocs, both of which are based on the two principal and antagonistic
feudal land owning clans. The government cannot function. The
country decends into chaos and bankruptcy that no amount of American
aid will be able to reverse. Either the Pakistani Army takes over
again or the Taliban does. With that goes Afghanistan and Indian
stability.

1. Taliban win a fight - and settle scores
When the Pakistani military launched operations against Taliban and
al-Qaeda militants in Bajaur Agency, their opponents were more than
ready, having been briefed by well-placed informants. Under the
unified command of radical leader Baitullah Mehsud, the militants
repulsed the offensive and are already planning retaliatory attacks in
other parts of the country. And on Wednesday, Baitullah settled a
score with one of Islamabad's last remaining "precious assets". - Syed
Saleem Shahzad (Aug 13, '08)
Full article in http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JH14Df01.html

2. India-Pakistan relations in free fall
The Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir is back on a razor's edge, with
huge Muslim protests and a Hindu backlash stoking violence. Pakistan
has internationalized the issue, just as Delhi works with the United
States to pressure Islamabad over its commitment to the "war on
terror". The peace process between India and Pakistan is on hold, and
given the volatility of the political situation in both countries,
Kashmir will continue to burn. - M K Bhadrakumar (Aug 14, '08)
Full article in http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JH15Df01.html

Dropping bombs on non Talibans has not won many hearts & minds for a
start....

It's more likely the expression of frustrations in failing societies
that you're getting. I'm sure 99% of Pakistanis still want that green
card. My father's neighborhood was often visited by 8th AF B-17s that
were going after railway hubs, resulting in some civilian casualties
on the ground. It never was too much of an issue, rather, some locals
with balls would themselves contribute to even more destructions.

It's not a matter of hearts and minds. A shared cause requires all
parties to benefit, and if only measued by the amount of cash handed
out to some tribes, it's a bad start.

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I'm sure 99% of Pakistanis still want that green
card.

Somehow I doubt that.

You do know that there are over 170 million Pakistanis...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

eatfastnoodle wrote:

On Aug 14, 9:16Â*pm, "La N" wrote:
"Tiger" wrote in message

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Just when the world is watching something else, the other shoe
drops....

Yahoo! News

Pakistan's Musharraf to resign as president: report

2 hours, 56 minutes ago

Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf will resign rather than face
impeachment by parliament, the Financial Times said on its Web site,
citing government officials and a member of his circle.

Just yesterday, I believe, I was watching on some news shows interviews
with Pakistanis who say that the hatred that Pakistanis have had against
America is because of the US support of Musharraf who is very unpopular
in his own country.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

- nilita

I believe it's more of the other way around. Musharraf is hated
because of his alliance with US. Blair used to be hottie NO.1 in
Britain until he became Bush's poodle NO.1 in the eyes of his
countrymen. The former Spanish prime minister got himself voted out of
office because he was seen too close to the US. I suppose you don't
seriously believe US is hated because of Musharraf? I mean, come on.

Probably has more to do with Mushareff being hated by the ISI.
(Pakistan's version of CIA/KGB/MI-5 and 6)
Those guys are the nastiest stripe of Islamic fundamentalist, and
are the folks who gave us both the Taliban and Al 'Qeda.
Taliban Afghanistan is a classic example of an ISI "Pakistani expansion" op.
Find some bunch of nasties, pump them up with weapons and cash, and
send them into a "disputed area" to stir up trouble so that the Pakistani
military can rush in to "save their Muslim Brothers" - basically a re-run
of Opewration Grand Slam in 1965, which ended up with Pakistan getting
thrashed by India.

The will of the people doesn't count in Pakistan. The ambitions of the
factions, including ruling and expanding the Islamic world, do.

--
Pete Stickney
Any plan where you lose you hat is a bad plan

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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:37:42 +0100, "William Black"
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"eatfastnoodle" wrote in message
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On Aug 14, 9:16 pm, "La N" wrote:
"Tiger" wrote in message

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Just when the world is watching something else, the other shoe
drops....

Yahoo! News

Pakistan's Musharraf to resign as president: report

2 hours, 56 minutes ago

Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf will resign rather than face
impeachment by parliament, the Financial Times said on its Web site,
citing government officials and a member of his circle.

Just yesterday, I believe, I was watching on some news shows interviews
with
Pakistanis who say that the hatred that Pakistanis have had against
America
is because of the US support of Musharraf who is very unpopular in his
own
country.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

- nilita

I believe it's more of the other way around. Musharraf is hated
because of his alliance with US. Blair used to be hottie NO.1 in
Britain until he became Bush's poodle NO.1 in the eyes of his
countrymen. The former Spanish prime minister got himself voted out of
office because he was seen too close to the US. I suppose you don't
seriously believe US is hated because of Musharraf? I mean, come on.

****************

Okay, you tell me .... why *do* the Pakistanis hate the U.S.?


Because the US Air Force keeps blowing up weddings there by mistake...

Funny thing about bombs, once released they sorta go where they are
going to go.

Also, if it wasn't a tradition to blast away with your AK @ Weddings I
suspect there might be less of them bombed.
--

Oh, tell me about it! I think the best thing to do would be to invade those
wacky Muslim countries and force them to change their customs and culture!

- nilita

In article afrpk.7555$%b7.4736@edtnps82,
says...

"Zombywoof" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:37:42 +0100, "William Black"
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"La N" wrote in message
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"eatfastnoodle" wrote in message
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On Aug 14, 9:16 pm, "La N" wrote:
"Tiger" wrote in message

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Just when the world is watching something else, the other shoe
drops....

Yahoo! News

Pakistan's Musharraf to resign as president: report

2 hours, 56 minutes ago

Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf will resign rather than face
impeachment by parliament, the Financial Times said on its Web site,
citing government officials and a member of his circle.

Just yesterday, I believe, I was watching on some news shows interviews
with
Pakistanis who say that the hatred that Pakistanis have had against
America
is because of the US support of Musharraf who is very unpopular in his
own
country.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

- nilita

I believe it's more of the other way around. Musharraf is hated
because of his alliance with US. Blair used to be hottie NO.1 in
Britain until he became Bush's poodle NO.1 in the eyes of his
countrymen. The former Spanish prime minister got himself voted out of
office because he was seen too close to the US. I suppose you don't
seriously believe US is hated because of Musharraf? I mean, come on.

****************

Okay, you tell me .... why *do* the Pakistanis hate the U.S.?


Because the US Air Force keeps blowing up weddings there by mistake...

Funny thing about bombs, once released they sorta go where they are
going to go.

Also, if it wasn't a tradition to blast away with your AK @ Weddings I
suspect there might be less of them bombed.
--

Oh, tell me about it! I think the best thing to do would be to invade those
wacky Muslim countries and force them to change their customs and culture!


That's interesting.
I recall back a during the 1990's there were calls about how terrible
the Taliban were in thier treatment of women.



--

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic
feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.

The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety,
is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless
made so and kept so by the exertions of much better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873) English economist and philosopher.