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Seat belt tags
Just finished the annual inspection on my 1963 172 this afternoon. It was
the first time I had used this A+P to inspect my plane. I assisted and things went smoothly. It's interesting that a "new" set of eyes can see things that have been overlooked in the past. Anyway, the seat belts no longer have "tags" that designate them approved. He said they must either be replaced or refurbished for the plane to be considered airworthy. Any thoughts on who might recondition the belts? Do I have to spring for new replacement ones? Thanks, Steve |
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Try Wag-Aero for the seat belts. There are others, but this
is the only one I remember. |
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"Stephen Stilkey" wrote in message ... Anyway, the seat belts no longer have "tags" that designate them approved. He said they must either be replaced or refurbished for the plane to be considered airworthy He's wrong. The belts probably never had tags. There's no requirement for older planes to have the TSO tags on them. |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:25:37 -0500, "Ron Natalie"
wrote: "Stephen Stilkey" wrote in message ... Anyway, the seat belts no longer have "tags" that designate them approved. He said they must either be replaced or refurbished for the plane to be considered airworthy He's wrong. The belts probably never had tags. There's no requirement for older planes to have the TSO tags on them. Hmmm, I might buy that. The FAA's ramp inspection "guide" useta have an item for seatbelt tags. Pretty sure it referenced 91.205 (b) something-or-other which calls for "an approved safety belt". I'm just not sure how you can convince the FAA that a seat belt without a data tag, or other identifying markings is "approved". TC |
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No tags on the belts in Fat Albert, and he was used by many a pilot to take
his multi/ifr/cfi check ride over a 40 year period... Apparently the inspectors never blinked... denny wrote in message He's wrong. The belts probably never had tags. There's no requirement for older planes to have the TSO tags on them. Hmmm, I might buy that. The FAA's ramp inspection "guide" useta have an item for seatbelt tags. Pretty sure it referenced 91.205 (b) something-or-other which calls for "an approved safety belt". I'm just not sure how you can convince the FAA that a seat belt without a data tag, or other identifying markings is "approved". TC |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:03:58 -0500, "Dennis O'Connor"
wrote: No tags on the belts in Fat Albert, and he was used by many a pilot to take his multi/ifr/cfi check ride over a 40 year period... Apparently the inspectors never blinked... denny The reference here is to what? That since it hasn't been "caught" is must be OK? I once had to fly to Cleveland to rescue a CFI applicant that had loose carpet in the pilot's footwell. The inspector and I came to an agreement that the carpet wasn't "required equipment", so I tore it out and threw in the trash can so the prospective CFI could take his ride. TC |
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wrote in message ... The FAA's ramp inspection "guide" useta have an item for seatbelt tags. It used to have a lot of stuff in it that didn't apply to all situations. Besides if some ignorant inspector wants to ground your plane, he'll come up with some reason. Pretty sure it referenced 91.205 (b) something-or-other which calls for "an approved safety belt". The ones that are in my plane were APPROVED when the Type Certificate of the plane was issued....no AD has come out to invalidate them. |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:24:48 -0500, "Ron Natalie"
wrote: wrote in message ... The FAA's ramp inspection "guide" useta have an item for seatbelt tags. It used to have a lot of stuff in it that didn't apply to all situations. Besides if some ignorant inspector wants to ground your plane, he'll come up with some reason. Pretty sure it referenced 91.205 (b) something-or-other which calls for "an approved safety belt". The ones that are in my plane were APPROVED when the Type Certificate of the plane was issued....no AD has come out to invalidate them. OK, I'll stay in, how does the reg I referenced (in pt 91) not "apply" the given situation? And the "APPROV"-al can be verified how? Are you telling me that you still have the original seat belts in your aircraft, or that you can provide documentation to verify that they have been properly repaired/altered? I'm afraid that even this ignorant mechanic can look at the seat belts in a 41 year-old aircraft and tell whether or not they are "original". I am by no means trying to tell you that you are wrong, or that a TSO'd belt is categorically required by the CFR, or by your Type Certificate. I am afraid I have to disagree with the ignorant inspector comment. In twenty years I have never had anyone successfully "ground" an aircraft that I was maintaining. Have been in confrontations with quite a few, reference my response to the Fat Albert thread. Regards; TC |
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My 1965 C150E came with a web seat belt that was not metal to metal. IE the
strap on one side was put into a clamp on the other end. I think all aircraft including commerical airplanes had an AD to replace them with the metal to metal types we have now in airplanes and autos. I think all this happen around 20 some years ago. Roger @ MD43 C150E |
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wrote in message news The ones that are in my plane were APPROVED when the Type Certificate of the plane was issued....no AD has come out to invalidate them. OK, I'll stay in, how does the reg I referenced (in pt 91) not "apply" the given situation?. I didn't say it didn't apply, but you should try reading the regulation. It doesn't say anything about approved safety belts. It says approved seat/bearth. Even so, that approval is conformance with the type certificate. Back in 1950 the FAA approved it and hasn't rescinded that approval. I am by no means trying to tell you that you are wrong, or that a TSO'd belt is categorically required by the CFR, or by your Type Certificate. Then what are you arguing? I am afraid I have to disagree with the ignorant inspector comment. In twenty years I have never had anyone successfully "ground" an aircraft that I was maintaining. He would be ignorant if he grounded an older aircraft based on the lack of TSO tags for the seat belt. It was a hypothetical. |
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