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High Price of Flying Wires?
Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes cost
3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost. Thanks- J. Wolfer |
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"PWK" wrote in message news Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes cost 3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost. Thanks- J. Wolfer monopoly |
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"Larry Smith" wrote: Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes cost 3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost. Thanks- J. Wolfer monopoly ++++++++++++ LOW volume and... HIGH priced lawyers. Barnyard BOb -- |
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Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes cost
3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost. Thanks- J. Wolfer Hello. I have a set of flying wires that may suffice and I will sell them for considerably less than you have been quoted. It's worth a shot anyway. If you are interested please provide dimensions including maximum length to this newsgroup and I'll see if what I have will work for you. |
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"Barnyard BOb --" wrote in message ... "Larry Smith" wrote: Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes cost 3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost. Thanks- J. Wolfer monopoly ++++++++++++ LOW volume and... HIGH priced lawyers. Barnyard BOb -- Well, maybe, BOb, but I doubt it. How many suits against the flying wire manufacturers? If there are any lawsuits, then maybe. If not, the mfrs. have a chicken little paranoia. But flying wire mfrs. aren't "they." "They" are Brunton and Brunton only, unless someone else tooled up to roll them. Brunton bought out McWhyte and so has a m o n o p o l y. Besides, Brunton is in Scotland. It names its price and is hardly vulnerable to USA lawsuits. Which makes me wonder. Anybody ever seen cables on a Pitts? |
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"Barnyard BOb --"
"Larry Smith" wrote: Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes cost 3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost. Thanks- J. Wolfer monopoly ++++++++++++ LOW volume and... HIGH priced lawyers. Barnyard BOb -- Well, maybe, BOb, but I doubt it. How many suits against the flying wire manufacturers? If there are any lawsuits, then maybe. If not, the mfrs. have a chicken little paranoia. But flying wire mfrs. aren't "they." "They" are Brunton and Brunton only, unless someone else tooled up to roll them. Brunton bought out McWhyte and so has a m o n o p o l y. Besides, Brunton is in Scotland. It names its price and is hardly vulnerable to USA lawsuits. I think low volume and monopoly pretty well cover it even if Brunton's is somewhat immune from USA lawsuits. Flying wires are essentially hand made by experienced craftsmen. When the wire itself is drawn through the machine that gives it the aerodynamic shape it is very wavy. They work out the waviness by tapping each and every wire with mallets against a thick wooden bench. The threaded ends are also rolled and not cut. I imagine rolling threads is a more costly process than cutting them too. A set of wires for a Pitts or something similar must take a fair number of hours. The high labor costs in maintaining and particularly recovering fabric covered aircraft is one of the reason Piper builds Cherokees today and not Cubs even though the cost of materials for a Cub are probably still cheaper than the cost of aluminum for a Cherokee. John Dupre' |
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"JDupre5762" wrote in message
... ........................ The high labor costs in maintaining and particularly recovering fabric covered aircraft is one of the reason Piper builds Cherokees today and not Cubs even though the cost of materials for a Cub are probably still cheaper than the cost of aluminum for a Cherokee. And - Boeing would build 767's out of Sitka Spruce !!! :-)))))))) Rich "Real airplanes are woodie's!!" S |
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:33:26 -0400, "Larry Smith"
wrote: "Barnyard BOb --" wrote in message .. . "Larry Smith" wrote: Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes cost 3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost. Thanks- J. Wolfer monopoly ++++++++++++ LOW volume and... HIGH priced lawyers. Barnyard BOb -- Well, maybe, BOb, but I doubt it. How many suits against the flying wire manufacturers? If there are any lawsuits, then maybe. Tongue in cheek, Larry. "They" are Brunton and Brunton only, unless someone else tooled up to roll them. Brunton bought out McWhyte and so has a m o n o p o l y. Besides, Brunton is in Scotland. It names its price and is hardly vulnerable to USA lawsuits. Forget the lawsuit angle... If this MONOPOLY is truly lucrative, why don't you take these folks on? Sounds like you could beat the socks off Brunton. It would be interesting to see what you would charge if it was your low volume custom business. FWIW -- This business has come full circle. Read on... http://www.airbum.com/articles/Flyingwires.html Barnyard BOb -- the grass is always greener |
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On 28 Sep 2003 01:05 PM, Barnyard BOb -- posted the following:
FWIW -- This business has come full circle. Read on... http://www.airbum.com/articles/Flyingwires.html BOb, just wanted to let you know you are a jerk. I'm pretty sure I'd already read that article but you caused me to spend the last two hours reading Budd's site and getting caught up on the new material he has posted since the last time I checked it. Because of you, my project will now be another 2 hours later in getting finished than it would otherwise have been. I can take some satisfaction in knowing that the accumulated delays in construction all adds up to more time for the diesel people to get my eventual engine built. 8^/ As far as the high cost of wires goes, it is true if you are buying just a few or one set at a time. A few years ago on the Bearhawk list, one of our members put together a group purchase for 10 sets of streamlined, stainless wires for the tailfeathers, and the discount we received from Steen Aero Lab for the volume order was amazing. I don't remember the exact numbers but it was better than half off the regular price. And just as a clarification, the Bearhawk is a simple design that certainly doesn't require anything so hifalutin' as streamlined wires. The plans call for round 4130 threaded by the homebuilder to brace the tail (in addition to a streamlined 4130 tube strut) but being from the Alaskan coast where things will rust/corrode if you so much as think the wrong thoughts about them, I couldn't pass up the chance at stainless wires with rolled threads. I have observed that you can sell almost anything to an Alaskan, so long as it is made out of stainless steel. ---------------------------------------------------- Del Rawlins- Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email. Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website: http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/ |
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Del Rawlins wrote: FWIW -- This business has come full circle. Read on... http://www.airbum.com/articles/Flyingwires.html BOb, just wanted to let you know you are a jerk. I'm pretty sure I'd already read that article but you caused me to spend the last two hours reading Budd's site and getting caught up on the new material he has posted since the last time I checked it. Because of you, my project will now be another 2 hours later in getting finished than it would otherwise have been. I can take some satisfaction in knowing that the accumulated delays in construction all adds up to more time for the diesel people to get my eventual engine built. 8^/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Poor fella. bfg Have you tried Evelyn Woods speed reading? If not -- Shouldn't take over 2 more diesel advantaged hours to check out.... http://www.evelynwood.com.au/ http://skepdic.com/speedreading.html http://www.advancedreading.com/aboutus.ivnu http://www.mysticdancer.com/evelyn_w...d_reading.html http://www.child-reading-tips.com/ev...ng-program.htm Barnyard BOb -- the diesels are coming, the diesels are coming, the disels are coming, the diesels are coming, the diesels are coming |
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