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IFR in motorglider?
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Can I, a commercial & instrument rated power and glider pilot legally fly IFR in a motorglider (which is IFR certified) if I do not have a current medical? Thanks! Chuck |
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cp wrote:
Question: Can I, a commercial & instrument rated power and glider pilot legally fly IFR in a motorglider (which is IFR certified) if I do not have a current medical? Oh, this is a good one :-). I suspect that your certificate reads "instrument, airplane" but, a motor glider is not an airplane, as far as the FAA is concerned. Tony V. |
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Tony Verhulst wrote in message ...
cp wrote: Question: Can I, a commercial & instrument rated power and glider pilot legally fly IFR in a motorglider (which is IFR certified) if I do not have a current medical? Oh, this is a good one :-). I suspect that your certificate reads "instrument, airplane" but, a motor glider is not an airplane, as far as the FAA is concerned. Tony V. An instrument airplane rating is required to operate IFR in a glider. Currency requirements as defined in Section 61.57: Recent flight experience: Pilot in command. (2) For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in a glider, performed and logged under actual or simulated instrument conditions-- (i) At least 3 hours of instrument time in flight, of which 1\1/2\ hours may be acquired in an airplane or a glider if no passengers are to be carried; or (ii) 3 hours of instrument time in flight in a glider if a passenger is to be carried. Note that being intrument current in airplanes does not assure instrument currency in gliders. Andy |
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The problem is getting the 1.5 hours (of the 3 required) in the glider to
get current. Since you are single seat, you cannot legally do simulated instrument. That means getting in the appropriately equipped 2-seater to get legally current. The original poster had a motorglider. Should that be a two seater, the challenges get smaller. Paul "Andy Durbin" wrote in message om... Tony Verhulst wrote in message ... cp wrote: Question: Can I, a commercial & instrument rated power and glider pilot legally fly IFR in a motorglider (which is IFR certified) if I do not have a current medical? Oh, this is a good one :-). I suspect that your certificate reads "instrument, airplane" but, a motor glider is not an airplane, as far as the FAA is concerned. Tony V. An instrument airplane rating is required to operate IFR in a glider. Currency requirements as defined in Section 61.57: Recent flight experience: Pilot in command. (2) For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in a glider, performed and logged under actual or simulated instrument conditions-- (i) At least 3 hours of instrument time in flight, of which 1\1/2\ hours may be acquired in an airplane or a glider if no passengers are to be carried; or (ii) 3 hours of instrument time in flight in a glider if a passenger is to be carried. Note that being intrument current in airplanes does not assure instrument currency in gliders. Andy |
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"Paul Lynch" wrote in message news:utBEc.8566$mN3.7647@lakeread06...
The problem is getting the 1.5 hours (of the 3 required) in the glider to get current. Since you are single seat, you cannot legally do simulated instrument. That means getting in the appropriately equipped 2-seater to get legally current. The original poster had a motorglider. Should that be a two seater, the challenges get smaller. Paul Actually, the regulation imposes no requirement to do any of the 3 hours of instrument flight in a glider unless passengers are to be carried. It just says 1.5 hours *may* be done in a glider. The real problem may be keeping up 3 hours of instrument flight for every six months following an IPC or initial issuance of the instrument rating. For those not familiar with instrument currency requirements – the 6-month currency must be maintained, once it is lost it can only regained by taking an Instrument Proficiency Check. You cannot *get* current by flying 3 hours in 6 months, you can only maintain existing currency. Note that the IPC to qualify for glider IFR may be done in a glider or an airplane. So one possible scenario is that the airplane instrument pilot takes an IPC in an airplane then, in addition to the 6 approaches with holding etc required every 6 months to keep airplane instrument current, the pilot also ensures that he flies 3 hours of instrument time in the same 6 months. That keeps the pilot legally current for airplane and glider IFR without flying a glider at all so long as passengers are not carried. The other way would be to do an IPC in a 2-place glider. Since the Instrument PTS does not apply to gliders, the instructor could choose what tasks had to be performed. All you need then is an instrument instructor who is glider rated and a suitable glider. Following the glider IPC you then need to maintain the 3 hours instrument flight every 6 months, or get the 3 hours in the next 6 months, or to go and get another IPC. Andy |
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Actually the those were the old regulations. With the rewrite of FAR
61 a few years ago they dropped the hour requirment to stay current. Now all that is required is 6 Approaches and entering a holding pattern every 6 months. As it has had been before if you let this expire you have an additional 6 months to perform these approaches and holding to become current again. If however you go for more that 12 months without becoming current you will have to take an instrument proficency check with a CFII. Your are correct that currency in an airplane will transfer to glider. Brian Case CFIIG/ASEL Actually, the regulation imposes no requirement to do any of the 3 hours of instrument flight in a glider unless passengers are to be carried. It just says 1.5 hours *may* be done in a glider. The real problem may be keeping up 3 hours of instrument flight for every six months following an IPC or initial issuance of the instrument rating. For those not familiar with instrument currency requirements – the 6-month currency must be maintained, once it is lost it can only regained by taking an Instrument Proficiency Check. You cannot *get* current by flying 3 hours in 6 months, you can only maintain existing currency. Note that the IPC to qualify for glider IFR may be done in a glider or an airplane. So one possible scenario is that the airplane instrument pilot takes an IPC in an airplane then, in addition to the 6 approaches with holding etc required every 6 months to keep airplane instrument current, the pilot also ensures that he flies 3 hours of instrument time in the same 6 months. That keeps the pilot legally current for airplane and glider IFR without flying a glider at all so long as passengers are not carried. The other way would be to do an IPC in a 2-place glider. Since the Instrument PTS does not apply to gliders, the instructor could choose what tasks had to be performed. All you need then is an instrument instructor who is glider rated and a suitable glider. Following the glider IPC you then need to maintain the 3 hours instrument flight every 6 months, or get the 3 hours in the next 6 months, or to go and get another IPC. Andy |
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"Brian Case" wrote in message m... Actually the those were the old regulations. With the rewrite of FAR 61 a few years ago they dropped the hour requirment to stay current. Now all that is required is 6 Approaches and entering a holding pattern every 6 months. As it has had been before if you let this expire you have an additional 6 months to perform these approaches and holding to become current again. If however you go for more that 12 months without becoming current you will have to take an instrument proficency check with a CFII. Your are correct that currency in an airplane will transfer to glider. Brian Case CFIIG/ASEL Actually, the regulation imposes no requirement to do any of the 3 hours of instrument flight in a glider unless passengers are to be carried. It just says 1.5 hours *may* be done in a glider. The real problem may be keeping up 3 hours of instrument flight for every six months following an IPC or initial issuance of the instrument rating. For those not familiar with instrument currency requirements – the 6-month currency must be maintained, once it is lost it can only regained by taking an Instrument Proficiency Check. You cannot *get* current by flying 3 hours in 6 months, you can only maintain existing currency. Note that the IPC to qualify for glider IFR may be done in a glider or an airplane. So one possible scenario is that the airplane instrument pilot takes an IPC in an airplane then, in addition to the 6 approaches with holding etc required every 6 months to keep airplane instrument current, the pilot also ensures that he flies 3 hours of instrument time in the same 6 months. That keeps the pilot legally current for airplane and glider IFR without flying a glider at all so long as passengers are not carried. The other way would be to do an IPC in a 2-place glider. Since the Instrument PTS does not apply to gliders, the instructor could choose what tasks had to be performed. All you need then is an instrument instructor who is glider rated and a suitable glider. Following the glider IPC you then need to maintain the 3 hours instrument flight every 6 months, or get the 3 hours in the next 6 months, or to go and get another IPC. Andy I always considered an IPC an opportunity and not a burden. I got one every 6 months even though I had the time and approaches in real IMC. I sought out the crustiest CFII's I could find and asked them to put me through the ringer. An old geezer who flew for an air freight company was the best. I figured since I was really out there in the wild gray yonder I needed to be as sharp as possible. They always taught me something I didn't know. Usually, the IPC meant the simulated loss of the vacuum gyros and the whole avionics stack except for the ADF and marker beacon receiver. He'd hand me a handheld comm radio after turning off or covering up all the really useful gadgets and say, "Put on the hood and get me down alive". A few holding patterns and non-precision approaches with no autopilot and a 45 knot crosswind followed. Single pilot IFR in IMC is not for wusses. Bill Daniels |
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