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Alan Minyard wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:39:20 +0200, "ArVa" wrote: "Alan Minyard" a écrit dans le message de . .. So who said we want france as an ally? Well, almost all your top government officials, including your president... Or were they all lying while crossing their fingers in their back? That would probably be a premiere... :-) Our actions speak louder than our words. partially because of comments like the one above. I don't think he was refering to France only. Don't you want allies and friends at all? Geez, I really wonder what disturbs you so much in Clark's statement... ArVa Because he is willing to sell out to our enemies. Al Minyard What's this "our" stuff, Jewboy? Grantland |
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Kevin Brooks wrote:
"shonen" wrote in message ... The French felt that they needed an independent nuclear capability to deter the Soviets, rather than relying on the US, who had demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice NATO security for their own. No, [...] Note that the UK also developed its own independent nuclear force Did they? From the little I know the nuclear force in UK was far from independant from the US... |
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"Phil" wrote in message ... Kevin Brooks wrote: "shonen" wrote in message ... The French felt that they needed an independent nuclear capability to deter the Soviets, rather than relying on the US, who had demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice NATO security for their own. No, [...] Note that the UK also developed its own independent nuclear force Did they? From the little I know the nuclear force in UK was far from independant from the US... Lets see. The UK force uses British built submarines equipped with missiles bought from the US that carry UK designed and built warheads. The arming of the warheads and targetting of the missiles is subject to UK control What makes you think this is not an independent deterrent ? Keith |
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Thomas Schoene wrote:
"Skysurfer" wrote in message . 0.136 tscottme wrote : Like I said the French hope nothing unusual happens and then are thoroughly unprepared when it does. Your sentence doesn't mean anything ... Do I say that the USA were not prepared to the september the 11th ? In 1994, a French Airbus was hijacked by islamists who wanted to crash it on Paris. All terrorist were killed by french special forces GIGN (you know, the "surrending monkeys"). http://www.specialoperations.com/Cou...rism/gign.html Well done for GIGN. However, one does wonder how serious these terrorists were about blowing up the plane over Paris, given that they actually landed the plane first. How would GIGN have been able to intervene if a plane had simply flown from Algiers to Paris direct, with the hijackers only taking over after it was airborne? They were quite serious. They executed 3 hostages before taking off to Marseille. The plane was forced to land there for refuelling. Orders were issued to blast the tyres if the plane attempted a take-off. The plane was purposedly prevented to embark enough fuel to go too far. The original plan from the GIA was to crash the plane on Paris. It is also documented that the prime minister and the president were aware of the terrorists intentions and that they were ready to order a Mirage to take care of the problem in the most radical way if necessary. |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:39:20 +0200, "ArVa" wrote:
"Alan Minyard" a écrit dans le message de .. . So who said we want france as an ally? Well, almost all your top government officials, including your president... Or were they all lying while crossing their fingers in their back? That would probably be a premiere... :-) Our actions speak louder than our words. partially because of comments like the one above. I don't think he was refering to France only. Don't you want allies and friends at all? Geez, I really wonder what disturbs you so much in Clark's statement... ArVa Because he is willing to sell out to our enemies. Al Minyard |
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Keith Willshaw wrote:
"Phil" wrote in message ... Kevin Brooks wrote: "shonen" wrote in message ... The French felt that they needed an independent nuclear capability to deter the Soviets, rather than relying on the US, who had demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice NATO security for their own. No, [...] Note that the UK also developed its own independent nuclear force Did they? From the little I know the nuclear force in UK was far from independant from the US... Lets see. The UK force uses British built submarines equipped with missiles bought from the US that carry UK designed and built warheads. It seems to me that the missiles are simply "anglicised" after they arrive in UK, and not really designed/built. I don't know what "anglicised" really means, but it seems far from developped, designed and built. What is certain is that the Trident warheads are assembled in UK (AWE - Burghfield). I don't know what kind of rocket is used and what kind of re-entry module is attached. Are they really "made in UK"? Or simply assembled there? The arming of the warheads and targetting of the missiles is subject to UK control Yes. I was mistaken with the NATO theatre weapons that were double keyed.(id.) What makes you think this is not an independent deterrent ? Historical relationship between US and UK ;-) I'd be interrested in any doc about the discussions that took place during the Falklands war arround the subject of the possible use of the UK submarines... I already know the US administration was very worried, to say the least, about a possible dramatic event that would encourage the Prime Minister to retaliate with nukes. |
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"Phil" wrote in message ... Keith Willshaw wrote: The UK force uses British built submarines equipped with missiles bought from the US that carry UK designed and built warheads. It seems to me that the missiles are simply "anglicised" after they arrive in UK, and not really designed/built. I don't know what "anglicised" really means, but it seems far from developped, designed and built. What is certain is that the Trident warheads are assembled in UK (AWE - Burghfield). I don't know what kind of rocket is used and what kind of re-entry module is attached. Are they really "made in UK"? Or simply assembled there? The missiles are bought from the USA, the rentry system is developed in the UK with technical support form Lockheed Martin The arming of the warheads and targetting of the missiles is subject to UK control Yes. I was mistaken with the NATO theatre weapons that were double keyed.(id.) What makes you think this is not an independent deterrent ? Historical relationship between US and UK ;-) History wouldnt stop a British retaliation for a nuclear attack no matter how much the US disapproved. I'd be interrested in any doc about the discussions that took place during the Falklands war arround the subject of the possible use of the UK submarines... I already know the US administration was very worried, to say the least, about a possible dramatic event that would encourage the Prime Minister to retaliate with nukes. Its hard to imagine what sort of event could cause a nuclear response in that war, more to the point was the British warning to Iraq in Gulf War 1 that any Iraqi use of WMD against British forces could prompt a nuclear response. Keith |
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