Why We Lost The Vietnam War

"Spiv" wrote in message
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You still don't get it. It is not a matter of comparison. The UK is not
small.


But it IS a matter of comparison. It is you that does not understand. The
UK is small. You'll have to try harder if you expect to learn anything.

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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"Spiv" wrote in message
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Nonsense. Britain invented globalisation in the 1700s.

Dont be silly, goods were being traded around the known
world by the Phoenicians. In Iron age graves in the UK
archaeologists have found wine jars from the Med
while Cornish Tin and Welsh gold have turned up in
Rome, Etruria and North Africa.

See "Empire" by Niall Ferguson.


I have, it in no way alters reality. To talk of inventing Britain
globalisation when 1400 years before people were visibly
ejoying the same culture , following the same fashions,
speaking the same language, using the same currency and
recognising the same government in Africa, Europe and
Asia is just plain silly

The UK has consistently imported produce
and products that are cheaper than the home
market. When it comes down to it, it can feed itself.

No it cant, for a very few years in the 80's and 90's by
using vast amounts of fertiliser, mono culture and with
heavy subsidies we came close but the cost was exorbitant
both in cash terms and in environmental terms

It can feed itself. Much of the UK is national park. That can be used if
needed for crop growing.


You thrice dammed idiot. National Parks in the UK ARE open for
farming,unlike those in the USA agriculture continues in them
and the farmers while subject to more stringent planning
regulations. That said most of them are upland areas like
Snowdonia, the Dales and the Yorkshire Moors, areas
that have poor peaty ill drained soils that are quite incapable
of supporting any other crops than sheep.

In 1939 it was not ready,still importing vast quantities
of food from the empire and others. By
1945 internal food production was way ahead
of 1939.

But still nowhere near self sufficiency.

It didn't need to be in 1945, as it imported food from its North American
colony, Canada,

Canada was an independent nation by then which declared
war independently on Germany. I see your continued
use of the word 'colony' to describe them as a studied
insult of people who were loyal friends and allies.

by then with the U boat problem suppressed.


Which was just as well else we would have starved

In fact food rationing was worse
in the years immediately following
WW2 than during the war itself
as much of the food available from
US, Canadian and other countries
was diverted to feed a starving Europe.

Very true. Basic foods were there, it was the imported stuff like sugar
and
the likes.



Along with wheat , apples , oranges etc.

Lots of luck trying to grow citrus fruit in England
let alone Scotland, Wales or Ireland.

Keith

"Spiv" wrote in message
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1951 I think you will find all rationing was abandoned.


From
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/books/bookfaq12.htm

Clothes were de-rationed in March 1949; bread in July 1948 (this was only
rationed on the 21 July 1946); jam in December 1948; petrol in May 1950; tea
in October 1952; sweets in February 1953; eggs in March 1953; cream in April
1953; sugar in September 1953; butter, cheese, margarine and cooking fats in
May 1954; and finally meat in June 1954.

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Boy is this ng full of people with no reading abilities or logic.


Indeed

Keith

"Spiv" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"Spiv" wrote in message
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No, yet again you fail. When importing
large qualities of grain, etc from
north America, It meant the UK could
concentrate on war production. Simple
when you know how.

It meant nothing of the sort.

It did.

Women were conscipted to work
on to the land to increase food production.

That is true, yet they didn't need to go 100% self sufficiency in food, as
they could import it when the U boast were suppressed.


They weren't able to, the crop varieties available at the time
simply made it impossible. Your inability to understand this
is simply amazing.

at http://www.ecifm.rdg.ac.uk/postwarag.htm

You'll find a graph of wheat yields per acre
post war. They rose from less than 3 tons per ha
in 1948 to almost 8 tons per ha in the year 2000

This is largely a result of switching to the new varieties
of crops in the post war period

By 1940 every plot of land that could
grow food including school playing fields
had been ploughed up and planted.

That was mainly for morale purposes, as was build Anderson air raid
shelters, which the government knew were pretty useless in a direct, or
near
direct hit.

It still wasnt enough.

In 1940 you are probably correct. However food production was far higher
in
subsequent years.


But never reached anything approaching self sufficiency.

Keith

"Peter Stickney" wrote in message
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Our Spiv seems to have spent quite some time locked in an attic with
old "Ranger" Magazines.

What are they?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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They did know how and went near to doing it, but the battle of the
Atlantic was won, so cheap and plentiful grain could be brought from
its colony, Canada, and the USA.

Canada was a British colony during WWII?

Yes. Independence in 1948, for most of Canada and Newfoundland in 1959.
The Canadian constitution was given back in 1982.

It says this further down the thread.

You've said many things in this thread,
but very few of them are correct.

100% correct. Now focus.

The British Army was overwhelmingly supplied by UK produced arms.

But not completely, the UK still had to import arms.

The UK could make all it wanted.

It could not make all it wanted during WWII.

Not in the early part.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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The UK could make all it wanted.


It could not make all it wanted during WWII.



Britain was pretty much self sufficient with regard to
infantry weapons and artillery but relied heavily on
US supplied tanks , trucks and armoured cars.

The air force relied totally on US production for its
transport aircraft , a large percentage of its long range
maritime patrol aircraft and the RN was reliant on US
produced fighters on its carrier force

Keith

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"Spiv" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"Spiv" wrote in message
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Nonsense. Britain invented globalisation in the 1700s.

Dont be silly,

They did.

See "Empire" by Niall Ferguson.

I have,

Did you read it?

It can feed itself. Much of the UK is national park. That can be used
if
needed for crop growing.

You thrice dammed idiot.
National Parks in the UK ARE open for
farming,

Not all of it birdbrain.

It didn't need to be in 1945, as it imported food from its North
American
colony, Canada,

Canada was an independent nation
by then which declared war independently
on Germany.

Not so. Independence in 1948, 1959

by then with the U boat problem suppressed.

Which was just as well else we would have starved

No. Not staved at all. Tight, but not starved.

Very true. Basic foods were there, it
was the imported stuff like sugar
and the likes.

Along with wheat , apples , oranges etc.

Which can have home gown equivalents. Oranges are not base foods.

Lots of luck trying to grow citrus fruit in England
let alone Scotland, Wales or Ireland.

You don't need them to survive. they are luxury foods.

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"Spiv" wrote in message
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1951 I think you will find all rationing was abandoned.


From
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/books/bookfaq12.htm

Clothes were de-rationed in March 1949; bread in July 1948 (this was only
rationed on the 21 July 1946); jam in December 1948; petrol in May 1950;
tea
in October 1952; sweets in February 1953; eggs in March 1953; cream in
April
1953; sugar in September 1953; butter, cheese, margarine and cooking fats
in
May 1954; and finally meat in June 1954.

Most rationing, about 90% plus was gone by 1951.

"Spiv" wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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They did know how and went near to doing it, but the battle of the
Atlantic was won, so cheap and plentiful grain could be brought from
its colony, Canada, and the USA.

Canada was a British colony during WWII?

Yes. Independence in 1948, for most of Canada and Newfoundland in 1959.
The Canadian constitution was given back in 1982.

It says this further down the thread.

You've said many things in this thread,
but very few of them are correct.

100% correct. Now focus.

The British Army was overwhelmingly supplied by UK produced arms.

But not completely, the UK still had to import arms.

The UK could make all it wanted.

It could not make all it wanted during WWII.

Not in the early part.

Did you stop attending school 8 or 9 years before you were 15?