Could the Press Grow a Spine?

In article ,
(ArtKramr) writes:
The patriot act tears the constitution to shreds giving dictatorial power to
the neocons. Madison is spinning in his grave and Washington is in tears. The
bill of rights no longer exists. The 14th amendment will be the next to go.And
the Fereral governement was never bigger and more powerful than it is today
under the neocons.

And yet it was voted in unanimously in the Senate - (All the Senate
Democrats voted for it, including John Kerry), and overwhelmingly in
the House (Including 90% of the Democrats). Should power be trusted
to those so easily deluded, then? (If indeed you aren't being
hyperbolic)

The Congress, after all, is where Bills are submitted - by Congressmen
(Congresspeople? Electred Legislatural Representatives of the Populous
and the Various States, then) and voted upon. The President, or, ofr
that matter, the rest of the Executive Branch, don't draft or submit
bills, bills, (They do, of course, ask some sympathetic type in
Congress to do so), son't vote on them, and have no seats on the
COnference Comittees that sort out/rewrite the differences in the
versions passed by the House & Senate. Anything that occurred from
this proccess to your disfavor happened with the full complicity and
cooperation of the Democrats.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

ArtKramr wrote:
Subject: Could the Press Grow a Spine?
From: "Leslie Swartz"
Date: 6/23/2004 12:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

The good news is most of you radical assholes, being anti-RKBA, will roll up
pretty quickly.

Steve Swartz



Do you have more than three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star?

Now, now, don't rub it in. Chickenhawks have feelings too!

Cheers

--mike



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..
On 24 Jun 2004 14:13:20 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

The constitution was intact until Bush was elected.

Arthur Kramer

OK, Art. Put up. What part of the Constitution is no longer intact?

Article One.

Commentary on the News Hour last night indicated that since the
Congress is charged with regulation of the armed forces, Bush usurped
that power by trying to dictate how prisoners would be treated.
Ooops.

The legal experts they had said that most of the documents released by
the White House dealt with how to twist the law so as to avoid being
charged with felonies. Disgusting.

Bush is the worst president -ever- and he has to go.

Walt

From: "Leslie Swartz"


So we had to wade through all of that for that little gem, Comrade Art? Do
a little reading, sport. Start with any report on Waco if you want to talk
about civil liberties under administration n vs. n-1.

Steve Swartz

OK, steve, I see you calling names and such. Do you have anything constructive
to offer?

What have YOU done for your country?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On 24 Jun 2004 13:56:48 -0700, (WalterM140) wrote:

Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..
On 24 Jun 2004 14:13:20 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

The constitution was intact until Bush was elected.

Arthur Kramer

OK, Art. Put up. What part of the Constitution is no longer intact?

Article One.

Commentary on the News Hour last night indicated that since the
Congress is charged with regulation of the armed forces, Bush usurped
that power by trying to dictate how prisoners would be treated.
Ooops.

What part of Commander-in-Chief escapes you? Pick up a book on
Constitutional Law and you'll find that the "regulation of the armed
forces" applies to how the members of the force shall be governed and
treated. This is handled through the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
which is still in force. You may even note its application against the
criminals of Abu Ghraib.

The legal experts they had said that most of the documents released by
the White House dealt with how to twist the law so as to avoid being
charged with felonies. Disgusting.

Not "legal experts" but democrats in the Congress in an election year.
As I recall, it was your favorite president and fellatee who debated
what the meaning of "is" is. What legal experts? What documents? What
law? Who charged? The current occupant of the White House has not been
charged with any felonies. Harder to say that about his predecessor.

Bush is the worst president -ever- and he has to go.

"So let it be written, so let it be done..." Walt has spoken. QED.

Broaden your scope, Walt. Stop mouthing sound bites. Avoid repetition
of the last thing you've heard. Don't continually repost the same
single view that supports your contention. Get out of the house more.
And, stop posting news stories from 2000--a lot has happened since
then, and they weren't that important even when they were current.



Walt

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

In message , Ed Rasimus
writes
On 24 Jun 2004 14:17:03 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:
Do you have more than three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star?

Actually, Art, you shouldn't be using Purple Hearts as a measure of
valor. They demonstrate either bad luck, or if garnered in groups, a
level of combat incompetence.

I'd call them good luck myself, but then my (limited) experience was
infantry where *we* were the targets. (This isn't meant to denigrate
groups like armour and aviation: just because the enemy is targeting
your platform rather than you personally; doesn't make you safer,
because the overmatch in weapons involved and for aircraft the problem
of a long fall to follow, tends to produce much more an "escaped unhurt
/ killed with no chute" dichotomy)

I've got an SSM and five DFC's, but no PH. I'd rather win than lose.
I'd rather America prevail than the Islamic fundamentalists. I'd
rather retain national sovereignty than subject us to the whims of the
UN. I'd rather carry my own weapon and defend myself. I'd rather
individual responsibility than a welfare state. I'd rather keep my
earnings and make my own spending choices. I'd like higher standards
rather than affirmative action.

Any questions?

Yes, but they're quibbles rather than arguments. I'd argue details of
many of those statements while agreeing with them overall.

--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

In message , Leslie Swartz
writes
The good news is most of you radical assholes, being anti-RKBA, will roll up
pretty quickly.

Am I a "radical asshole"? I'm a "gun nut" by UK standards.

Steve, just to clarify, are you advocating the deliberate murder of
anyone who disagrees with your opinion? I'd definitely think that the
Founding Fathers didn't envisage an Argentinean-style "dirty war"
against their own people when they drafted the Constitution.



--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

1) I am most certainly not calling names (Comrade Art is an appropriate
appellation for him; as a Leninite, he should not be ashamed to be what he
is)

2) As far as "and such" if you let me know exactly what "and such" is, I'll
respond

3) The value of my argument should stand alone; oh sorry, I forgot- the
value of a position in this forum is based entirely on pedigree. O.k., I
enlisted in 1978 and am just now cashing it in. I have been in the
newsgroup since 1990 and you could google me up quickly enough.

4) My constructive comment had to do with Art's content-free reply. Are
you attempting to now counter-argue that I was unfair- do you want to claim
that Comrade Art's one liner about "Bush destroyintg the Constitution"
actually had some value?

If so, have at it. If not, why waste the bandwidth.

Steve Swartz

"B2431" wrote in message
...
From: "Leslie Swartz"


So we had to wade through all of that for that little gem, Comrade Art?
Do
a little reading, sport. Start with any report on Waco if you want to
talk
about civil liberties under administration n vs. n-1.

Steve Swartz

OK, steve, I see you calling names and such. Do you have anything
constructive
to offer?

What have YOU done for your country?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Scott:

Sorry for calling you "Dude" (if indeed you took offense). However, to
assume that wealth in the hands of the wealthy is static is ludicrous. The
assumption that anyone but a liberal would just sit on $900,000 is very
"Dude-Like." The $900,000 would be invested- creating additional value for
the economy.

The wealthy didn't get wealthy by ascribing to socialist nostrums. Unless
they inherited it; like most wealthy liberal socialists (but I repeat
myself- three times!).

Steve Swartz


"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:53:26 -0400, "Leslie Swartz"
wrote:

Ummm, Dude- tell me; how exactly does he "keep $900,000 for himself,"
exactly?

Uhm easy "dude". If I'm a millionaire and decide to donate 10k to ten
people and keep the rest in my bank account. To your typical
democrat (for some reason it looked odd without an "e" on the end)
that's not fair.

Another gratuitous ad hominem, clearly content free, "Nyaaa-Nyaaa" post
brought to you by the Left.

Thanks Mike- you make me proud to be a thinking person.

Steve Swartz


"Mike Dargan" wrote in message
news:xlGCc.91444$Hg2.12057@attbi_s04...
ArtKramr wrote:
Subject: Could the Press Grow a Spine?
From: "Leslie Swartz"
Date: 6/23/2004 12:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

The good news is most of you radical assholes, being anti-RKBA, will
roll up
pretty quickly.

Steve Swartz



Do you have more than three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star?

Now, now, don't rub it in. Chickenhawks have feelings too!

Cheers

--mike



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer