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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
Mark Hickey writes:
It's important to remember that the would-be pilot/savior would have tremendous motivation to get it right the first time. Yes. That could help or hurt, depending on the personality of the individual. When thinking through that scenario, I always pictured having three or four people in the cockpit - each with a limited job that they'd be walked through by an expert on the radio... maybe each with a cell phone connecting them to individual team members on the ground. Then it's just up to those experts on the ground to talk each of them through about 1/4 of the process of getting the plane on the ground in one piece (as opposed to making a flawless landing on the numbers). That seems unnecessarily complicated. Especially with automation, as long as the person in the left seat can push a button, turn a dial, and move a lever, he can land the plane--provided also that he can follow simple instructions on the radio. |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
Mxsmanic wrote:
No circumstances have ever required it in airliners, but it's certainly doable. http://imdb.com/title/tt0080339 http://imdb.com/title/tt0083530 http://imdb.com/title/tt0065377 http://imdb.com/title/tt0071110 http://imdb.com/title/tt0367085 I kneaux, I really shouldn't have... |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
On Dec 14, 2:27 pm, Jose wrote:
Why? It will never take off. Must resist biting troll hook.... |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
Mxsmanic wrote:
Mark Hickey writes: It's important to remember that the would-be pilot/savior would have tremendous motivation to get it right the first time. Yes. That could help or hurt, depending on the personality of the individual. When thinking through that scenario, I always pictured having three or four people in the cockpit - each with a limited job that they'd be walked through by an expert on the radio... maybe each with a cell phone connecting them to individual team members on the ground. Then it's just up to those experts on the ground to talk each of them through about 1/4 of the process of getting the plane on the ground in one piece (as opposed to making a flawless landing on the numbers). That seems unnecessarily complicated. Especially with automation, as long as the person in the left seat can push a button, turn a dial, and move a lever, he can land the plane--provided also that he can follow simple instructions on the radio. hehehe, he said "get it right the first time": http://www.micom.net/oops/Airbus320_trees.mp4 |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
Darrel Toepfer writes:
hehehe, he said "get it right the first time": It's not hard to get it right the first time. While most people can't fly airplanes by hand without making mistakes, everyone has pushed buttons, turned dials, and moved levers countless times in his life, and if he can also understand and follow instructions, he can land a 747, which requires no more than the manipulations just mentioned when the automation is used. The incorrect assumption made by most people is that the non-pilot would be trying to fly the aircraft by hand. That happens in Hollywood movies, but not in reality. There would be absolutely no reason to fly the aircraft by hand, and it would be dangerous without a qualified pilot in charge (and qualified means on the aircraft in question, not just someone with a PPL). |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
Darrel Toepfer writes:
Mxsmanic wrote: No circumstances have ever required it in airliners, but it's certainly doable. http://imdb.com/title/tt0080339 http://imdb.com/title/tt0083530 http://imdb.com/title/tt0065377 http://imdb.com/title/tt0071110 http://imdb.com/title/tt0367085 These are works of fiction. Note also that they don't generally involve non-pilots flying the aircraft. |
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Don't believe me? Try hang gliding. When you circle, you can usually feel which way the wind is blowing. When I first discovered this, it took me a while to figure out what was happening. I might have had difficulty believing if someone else had told me this, but I couldn't deny personal experience. I'll see if anyone else knows, or can figure out, why this is true before I explain further... |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
"Chris Wells" wrote in message ... Suggest you take a look at this site.www.aeroexperiments.org/brainteasers.shtml This site, while useful for those having difficulty with the concept of different frames of reference, is actually wrong. Downwind turns ARE different, though perhaps only for ultralights and other light aircraft in the real world. Don't believe me? Try hang gliding. When you circle, you can usually feel which way the wind is blowing. When I first discovered this, it took me a while to figure out what was happening. I might have had difficulty believing if someone else had told me this, but I couldn't deny personal experience. I'll see if anyone else knows, or can figure out, why this is true before I explain further... -- Chris Wells It is your perception of travel across the ground that gives you that feeling in a hang glider. Upwind you are practically stopped, and downwind you are really moving. Never the less, you can still do turns without changing attitude to adjust for any change in wind direction. Close your eyes for a turn or two, and you'll never be able to tell the difference. Al G |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
"cavelamb himself" wrote Who is this fool???? You've just been MXed! -- Jim in NC |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
In article ,
Chris Wells wrote: Suggest you take a look at this site.www.aeroexperiments.org/brainteasers.shtml This site, while useful for those having difficulty with the concept of different frames of reference, is actually wrong. Downwind turns ARE different, though perhaps only for ultralights and other light aircraft in the real world. Don't believe me? Try hang gliding. When you circle, you can usually feel which way the wind is blowing. When I first discovered this, it took me a while to figure out what was happening. I might have had difficulty believing if someone else had told me this, but I couldn't deny personal experience. I'm sorry, but the only reason turns feel like that in a hang-glider is proximity/reference to the ground. I'll see if anyone else knows, or can figure out, why this is true before I explain further... -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
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