Carb heat: my new policy. Any comments

"Tman" x@x wrote in message
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Flying a lot of 152s and 172s with carb heat lately. When inbound, I've I
think I'm going to follow a new SOP. Turn the carb heat off on mid-final.
Reasoning: no carb, esp a warm one is going to ice up in 30 seconds, sets
me up better for a go-around, and will prevent this stumble business (I
did test it out at altitude, and it prevents or at least seriously
mitigates the stumble).

thoughts?
T

Then again, how hard is it to shove in the carb heat knob while you advance
the throttle in a Cessna? They are right next to each other. I have always
just pushed in the carb heat knob at the same time as I advance the
throttle, not that difficult to do, even using the same hand.

Randy L.
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Remember: Any landing that you can walk away from,
is a landing that you can be fined, sued, or prosecuted for.

On Sep 8, 9:55*am, "RandyL" wrote:

Then again, how hard is it to shove in the carb heat knob while you advance
the throttle in a Cessna? They are right next to each other. I have always
just pushed in the carb heat knob at the same time as I advance the
throttle, not that difficult to do, even using the same hand.

Bingo. Why risk carb ice just to not have to remember to push the carb
heat in?

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Sep 8, 9:55 am, "RandyL" wrote:

Then again, how hard is it to shove in the carb heat knob while you advance
the throttle in a Cessna? They are right next to each other. I have always
just pushed in the carb heat knob at the same time as I advance the
throttle, not that difficult to do, even using the same hand.

Bingo. Why risk carb ice just to not have to remember to push the carb
heat in?

-Robert

We have a similar thing going on right now in the Warbird community.
After the McKitrick go around torque roll mort in his P51 last year, we
have one very respected member of our community advocating making
approaches in the P51 Mustang using cruise settings on the prop instead
of the normal 2700RPM (Meto) setup used by pilots flying approach in
this airplane.
His theory is that on a go around, where torque is a huge issue on the
Mustang if power is misused, keeping the prop in cruise won't hurt the
engine if it's over boosted unintentionally and will deny the extremly
high torque moment associated with the application of too much power too
quickly.
He maintains this "safety valve" will help save lives.
I have a great respect for this pilot's opinion.....normally!
As someone involved in the Mustang community as a safety adviser, I find
his "theory" "interesting" to say the leat but I'm against it.
Doing this flies in the face of the normal Dash 1 approved go around
setup for the 51 which is to run the prop up to 2700 and DON'T ham hand
the throttle if needed! It as well inserts a "crutch" for pilots flying
this airplane that should NOT be needed. Proper checkout and proper
handling of the airplane is the right approach to saving lives in the
Mustang, NOT altering the way the airplane is normally flown to give
those pilots flying it a "safety valve".

I see a similarity in the approach to the two issues, the other being
the use of carb heat here.

--
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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We have a similar thing going on right now in the Warbird community. After
the McKitrick go around torque roll mort in his P51 last year, we have one
very respected member of our community advocating making approaches in the
P51 Mustang using cruise settings on the prop instead of the normal
2700RPM (Meto) setup used by pilots flying approach in this airplane.
His theory is that on a go around, where torque is a huge issue on the
Mustang if power is misused, keeping the prop in cruise won't hurt the
engine if it's over boosted unintentionally and will deny the extremly
high torque moment associated with the application of too much power too
quickly.
He maintains this "safety valve" will help save lives.
I have a great respect for this pilot's opinion.....normally!
As someone involved in the Mustang community as a safety adviser, I find
his "theory" "interesting" to say the leat but I'm against it.
Doing this flies in the face of the normal Dash 1 approved go around setup
for the 51 which is to run the prop up to 2700 and DON'T ham hand the
throttle if needed! It as well inserts a "crutch" for pilots flying this
airplane that should NOT be needed. Proper checkout and proper handling of
the airplane is the right approach to saving lives in the Mustang, NOT
altering the way the airplane is normally flown to give those pilots
flying it a "safety valve".

I see a similarity in the approach to the two issues, the other being the
use of carb heat here.

--
Dudley Henriques

Geeez Dudley, how the hell did you get from dropping carb heat on short
final, to an essay like this in only two posts?

Put the O2 mask back on.

Lonnie wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
We have a similar thing going on right now in the Warbird community. After
the McKitrick go around torque roll mort in his P51 last year, we have one
very respected member of our community advocating making approaches in the
P51 Mustang using cruise settings on the prop instead of the normal
2700RPM (Meto) setup used by pilots flying approach in this airplane.
His theory is that on a go around, where torque is a huge issue on the
Mustang if power is misused, keeping the prop in cruise won't hurt the
engine if it's over boosted unintentionally and will deny the extremly
high torque moment associated with the application of too much power too
quickly.
He maintains this "safety valve" will help save lives.
I have a great respect for this pilot's opinion.....normally!
As someone involved in the Mustang community as a safety adviser, I find
his "theory" "interesting" to say the leat but I'm against it.
Doing this flies in the face of the normal Dash 1 approved go around setup
for the 51 which is to run the prop up to 2700 and DON'T ham hand the
throttle if needed! It as well inserts a "crutch" for pilots flying this
airplane that should NOT be needed. Proper checkout and proper handling of
the airplane is the right approach to saving lives in the Mustang, NOT
altering the way the airplane is normally flown to give those pilots
flying it a "safety valve".

I see a similarity in the approach to the two issues, the other being the
use of carb heat here.

--
Dudley Henriques

Geeez Dudley, how the hell did you get from dropping carb heat on short
final, to an essay like this in only two posts?

Put the O2 mask back on.



Well hello again Maxie. Never get tired of seeing your deeply incisive,
informative and thoughtful posts. What's the deal with all the name
changes though. Can't seem to make any sense out of why you bother doing
it. Why not just post with the Maxwell moniker. Just wondering??
:-))


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Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Well hello again Maxie. Never get tired of seeing your deeply incisive,
informative and thoughtful posts.

Well I wish I could say the same about you. But you always have to drift the
thread around until it all about you.

What's the deal with all the name
changes though. Can't seem to make any sense out of why you bother doing
it. Why not just post with the Maxwell moniker. Just wondering??
:-))


--
Dudley Henriques

Only because the name Maxwell was too often forged. Maxwell was not my real
name, so who cares, I'll just take another.

I think thoughts and ideas are more important on the Usenet. But that's just
me.

"Lonnie" @_#~#@.^net wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Well hello again Maxie. Never get tired of seeing your deeply incisive,
informative and thoughtful posts.

Well I wish I could say the same about you. But you always have to drift
the thread around until it all about you.

What's the deal with all the name
changes though. Can't seem to make any sense out of why you bother doing
it. Why not just post with the Maxwell moniker. Just wondering??
:-))


--
Dudley Henriques

Only because the name Maxwell was too often forged. Maxwell was not my
real name, so who cares, I'll just take another.

I think thoughts and ideas are more important on the Usenet. But that's
just me.

So in other words, you'd rather be known for your singular rock hard
stupidity rather than your first NG nym, which was a sock puppet to begin
with. Do you really expect your delusional and incoherent ramblings to be
interpreted as anything more than a monument to your stupidity?

Lonnie wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
Well hello again Maxie. Never get tired of seeing your deeply incisive,
informative and thoughtful posts.

Well I wish I could say the same about you. But you always have to drift the
thread around until it all about you.

What's the deal with all the name
changes though. Can't seem to make any sense out of why you bother doing
it. Why not just post with the Maxwell moniker. Just wondering??
:-))


--
Dudley Henriques

Only because the name Maxwell was too often forged. Maxwell was not my real
name, so who cares, I'll just take another.

I think thoughts and ideas are more important on the Usenet. But that's just
me.


That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

On thread creep; there are actually two entirely seperate issues in
play with this thread as I see it. One of the issues, and one that has
been addressed by others as well as myself, is the issue of changing or
altering a normal and or published procedure, in this case as the
initial poster put it, "setting up a new SOP".
What I'm dealing with is simply the "changing of normal procedure" issue.
FWIW, I usually draw examples from either past or present personal
experience when posting on these forums. I'm sorry you have chosen to
see this as my "blowing my own horn". I assure you this is not now nor
has it ever been my intention to do that.
It's an unfortunate byproduct of Usenet that there will be those who for
one reason or another, find someone as you appear to have found me.
Sorry you feel this way. I'm fairly certain that under different
circumstances, we might have had useful aviation related information to
share with each other.


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Dudley Henriques