A little fun from France (approach procedure)

We're always complaining about the subtleties of this or that procedure, so I
thought I'd throw in this one from Corsica. I particularly like the missed
approach - in IMC at night.

http://faris.nerim.net/LFKJ.JPG

G Faris

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:00:20 +0000 (UTC), (G
Farris) wrote:

We're always complaining about the subtleties of this or that procedure, so I
thought I'd throw in this one from Corsica. I particularly like the missed
approach - in IMC at night.

http://faris.nerim.net/LFKJ.JPG

G Faris


That's wild. Could you post an interpretation of the missed in
english?

I think now I know why I had to practice Pattern A and B.

z

"zatatime" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:00:20 +0000 (UTC), (G
Farris) wrote:

We're always complaining about the subtleties of this or that procedure,
so I
thought I'd throw in this one from Corsica. I particularly like the missed
approach - in IMC at night.

http://faris.nerim.net/LFKJ.JPG

G Faris


That's wild. Could you post an interpretation of the missed in
english?

Its pretty obvious what it means

That's wild. Could you post an interpretation of the missed in
english?

Its pretty obvious what it means

I'll take a stab.

Once established on the climb, turn left, intercept the ODR 245 radial while climbing to 3000 (meters? feet? furlongs?), and await (or follow?)
further instructions from ATC. Climb to 2100 before playing the accordion.

Jose
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In article , says...

That's wild. Could you post an interpretation of the missed in
english?

I think now I know why I had to practice Pattern A and B.



Once established in climb, turn *LEFT* (emphasis theirs) to intercept the
RB 245 radial - Climbing toward 3000 and expect instructions from ATC. Climb
to 2100 before accelerating in level flight.

G Faris

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:46:50 +0000 (UTC), (G
Farris) wrote:

In article , says...

That's wild. Could you post an interpretation of the missed in
english?

I think now I know why I had to practice Pattern A and B.



Once established in climb, turn *LEFT* (emphasis theirs) to intercept the
RB 245 radial - Climbing toward 3000 and expect instructions from ATC. Climb
to 2100 before accelerating in level flight.

G Faris

Thank you.

Now, If your supposed to go to 3000, why would you want to level off
at 2100? Is this just in case ATC keeps you under 3000?

z

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:15:47 GMT, Jose
wrote:

That's wild. Could you post an interpretation of the missed in
english?

Its pretty obvious what it means

I'll take a stab.

Once established on the climb, turn left, intercept the ODR 245 radial while climbing to 3000 (meters? feet? furlongs?), and await (or follow?)
further instructions from ATC. Climb to 2100 before playing the accordion.

Jose


LOL. That's about what I got which is why I asked.

Thanks for the try.
z

In a previous article, (G Farris) said:
We're always complaining about the subtleties of this or that procedure, so I
thought I'd throw in this one from Corsica. I particularly like the missed
approach - in IMC at night.

http://faris.nerim.net/LFKJ.JPG

I especially like the fact that while altitudes are in feet (and speeds in
knots), RVRs and visibility figures are in metres.


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In a previous article, zatatime said:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:46:50 +0000 (UTC), (G
Farris) wrote:
Once established in climb, turn *LEFT* (emphasis theirs) to intercept the
RB 245 radial - Climbing toward 3000 and expect instructions from ATC. Climb
to 2100 before accelerating in level flight.

Now, If your supposed to go to 3000, why would you want to level off
at 2100? Is this just in case ATC keeps you under 3000?

I think that remark about not accelerating applies to the restriction on
the dashed line on the chart, where it says "IAS MAX 185kt". In other
words, if you want to go to cruise climb that's faster than 185 knots,
wait at least until you're either at 2100 feet or established on the
straight line portion.

It's a little weird that they don't depict the ILS on the chart the way
they do on NOS charts, though, don't you think? Until I read the "ILS" on
the minimum section, I thought the "025 degree" course after 5.4 AJO meant
a 025 bearing to and then from CT.

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Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
A fool and his money are soon flying more airplane than he can
handle.

In article ,
says...

In a previous article, zatatime said:

Now, If your supposed to go to 3000, why would you want to level off
at 2100? Is this just in case ATC keeps you under 3000?

The French missed approach instructions generally state "Climb *toward* some
altitude", rather than *to* - the implication being you will expect further
clearances before you get there. This instruction is always associated with a
"Level Acceleration" indication - the point at which it is safe to level off,
or reduce to a cruise climb. Some approaches indicate "Level acceleration Not
Determined".


I think that remark about not accelerating applies to the restriction on
the dashed line on the chart, where it says "IAS MAX 185kt". In other
words, if you want to go to cruise climb that's faster than 185 knots,
wait at least until you're either at 2100 feet or established on the
straight line portion.


The 185 KIAS limit is to insure compliance with the safe turn radius depicted.



It's a little weird that they don't depict the ILS on the chart the way
they do on NOS charts, though, don't you think? Until I read the "ILS" on
the minimum section, I thought the "025 degree" course after 5.4 AJO meant
a 025 bearing to and then from CT.


The way they use NDB's is a little different. They use them a lot - plenty
of approaches have only an NDB, labeled "L" (as in "L"OM), and a procedure
turn or holding pattern entry. Many are not exactly aligned with the runway.
They are reticent to publish GPS approaches, ostensibly because they are still
holding out for Galileo - The European answer to refute any reliance on US
systems.

G Faris