China to buy Eurofighters?

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:36:29 -0800, Tarver Engineering wrote:

"phil hunt" wrote in message
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:11:46 -0600, tscottme wrote:
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In my opinion selling them top of the line stuff is the height of
stupidity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what the
situation is going to be with China and the West in ten to fifteen
years.

What makes you think the Europeans don't want the next problem for the
US to be as bad as possible? They have no hope of exceeding the US
unless a full-scale war devastates the US.

The EU will exceed the US economically next year (if it hasn't
already).

Nope: http://www.eurolegal.org/uspoleur.shtml

Doesm't disagree with me. It shows thje EU's GDP as about 10% less
than the USA's, which difference will be made up next year when 10
new countries join. Furthermore, the euro has been appreciating
against the dollar (by 20% this year) so if we count GDP at current
exchange rates (the other way being PPP) the EU may already be
ahead.

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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:06:00 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:
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ess (phil hunt) wrote:

The EU will exceed the US economically next year (if it hasn't
already).

How can a shrinking economy, with high unemployment (Europe) overtake a
growing economy, with decreasing unemployment (the US)?

Prediction: in 2004 the EU's economy wil grow by more than the USA's
economy.

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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:44:55 -0000, Keith Willshaw wrote:

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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:11:12 -0000, Keith Willshaw
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In fact there is no prospect of the ban being lifted anytime soon.
While the French Government and some corporate bodies
have pressed for it

And the German govmt.

Cite please.

http://www.cabalamat.org/weblog/art_97.html

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On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 00:40:10 GMT, Scott Ferrin wrote:

At least the US has control over Navstar. I don't know if they do
this or not but I don't imagine it would be impossible to say, deny
all service to a war zone except to those using such and such
decription.

Would it be technically possible to have a local positioning
system for military purposes? If it had lots of transmitters and
switched frequencies often, it would probably be hard to jam or
destroy.

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On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:44:03 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik wrote:

Why do you think they are building more and more ICBMs,when Russia and the
US are downsizing their nuclear arsenals?

To make sure they can deter an American attack, even if the USA has
ballistic missile defences, probably.


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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:06:00 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:
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ess (phil hunt) wrote:

The EU will exceed the US economically next year (if it hasn't
already).

How can a shrinking economy, with high unemployment (Europe) overtake a
growing economy, with decreasing unemployment (the US)?

Prediction: in 2004 the EU's economy wil grow by more than the USA's
economy.

Currebt US gains in productivity make that unlikely.

"phil hunt" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 00:40:10 GMT, Scott Ferrin
wrote:

At least the US has control over Navstar. I don't know if they do
this or not but I don't imagine it would be impossible to say, deny
all service to a war zone except to those using such and such
decription.

Would it be technically possible to have a local positioning
system for military purposes? If it had lots of transmitters and
switched frequencies often, it would probably be hard to jam or
destroy.

Such systems have already been used for decades in the training arena. For
example, at FT Irwin (NTC), the maneuver area (a large area at that; some
350K acres when the system was originally set up) was covered with a
transmitter/receiver system that pinpointed the location of vehicles or even
manpacked locator transmitters, allowing the creation of a digital map of
each exercise for use in conducting the after action reviews (held in what
was appropriately called the "Starwars Room"). I believe that the latest
version of this system now uses GPS to provide the location data, though.

There is too much required work to establish such a system in a tactical
area. All of the points have to be carefully surveyed (and unless you use
GPS to do *that* then you are back to the old, slow manual survey loop)and
line-of-site considerations must be met. Then you'd have to worry about
redundancy, or else the loss of a single transmitter would be catastrophic.
At the pace of current operations, this is just not feasible.

GPS remains the best alternative, and remember that the "selective
availability" (SA) function remains capable of denying highly accurate GPS
usage to other parties within a theater of operations (without affecting
other worldwide users) if so desired (see http://www.igeb.gov/sa.shtml ).

Brooks

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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:40:56 +0200, Adrian wrote:
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phil hunt wrote:
Any speculation as to what weapons China wants to buy? I think the
Eurofighter.

Naturally the EU will agree in the hope of getting exports and secure
the future of the EF. Expect an initial Chinese order for 24 units,
followed by 300+ more built locally after they reverse engineer it.

Cheers
David


That will take them quite a while. Some of the RF elements were hard to
do
even for Western technology. The AQ requirements and testing were beyond
what I had ever met when I worked on it.

What's AQ?


Sorry, QA.

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ess (phil hunt) wrote:

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:36:29 -0800, Tarver Engineering wrote:


Nope: http://www.eurolegal.org/uspoleur.shtml

Doesm't disagree with me. It shows thje EU's GDP as about 10% less
than the USA's, which difference will be made up next year when 10
new countries join.

Not really. The additional countries all have economies that are pretty
much in the basket right now, and adding a bunch of new poor people
won't make much difference, especially since the EU is in such a hurry
to fall apart.

Furthermore, the euro has been appreciating against the dollar (by
20% this year) so if we count GDP at current exchange rates (the
other way being PPP) the EU may already be ahead.

You should remember that the Euro/Dollar ratio has been manipulated very
hard by some of the European countries, and is showing signs of
reversing - drastically.

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In article ,
ess (phil hunt) wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:06:00 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:
In article ,
ess (phil hunt) wrote:

The EU will exceed the US economically next year (if it hasn't
already).

How can a shrinking economy, with high unemployment (Europe) overtake a
growing economy, with decreasing unemployment (the US)?

Prediction: in 2004 the EU's economy wil grow by more than the USA's
economy.

Evidence ofr that prediction? All of the normal indicators show the
exact *opposite* of that trend. High unemployment in the EU, flat
productivity per worker in the EU (versus increasing productivity in the
US).

*Nobody* is seriously expecting serious expansion in the EU economy,
except as a small mirror effect of the expanding US economy. The US had
a higher increase this *quarter* than the EU has had this *year*.

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