Apology re mxsmanic

dgs writes:

This is a newsgroup for discussion of aviation and piloting. What does
your question have to do with aviation and piloting?

Slightly more than the isolated statement "You're an idiot," that you made in
your previous post.

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

Inability to recognize satire.

Is that a function of intelligence, or acquired and shared knowledge bases?

Social development.


--
Jim Pennino

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terry wrote in
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On Feb 14, 3:34*am, Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:
On 13 Feb, 15:07, Mxsmanic wrote:

terry writes:
Are you implying Le Chaud and Mxs are the same person? *I find
that very hard to believe. *Totally different attitude.

Many people simplify their perception of others by categorizing
everyone
as
"one of us" or "one of them." *

What, like you do with your "tree house club"

I couldn't care less if the guy has a licence or not. Just ask the FO
I just had.

Whaaaaaat? you had an FO without a license?

Nope. He was suggesting that guys with licences are given an easy time!

Geez, I got pulled up
in the run up area by a CFI and asked to shut down immediately and
vacate the aircraft - cos I didnt have my piece of paper physically on
me. He knew I had a license but the rules say you have to have it with
you in the aircraft, and of course you are less likely to crash if
you have it wtih you .

Probably true!


Bertie

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in
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"terry" wrote in message
news:905f62b3-f558-428f-a61a-
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.. On Feb 14, 3:34 am, Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:
On 13 Feb, 15:07, Mxsmanic wrote:

terry writes:
Are you implying Le Chaud and Mxs are the same person? I find
that very hard to believe. Totally different attitude.

Many people simplify their perception of others by categorizing
everyone as
"one of us" or "one of them."

What, like you do with your "tree house club"

I couldn't care less if the guy has a licence or not. Just ask the FO
I just had.

Whaaaaaat? you had an FO without a license? Geez, I got pulled up
in the run up area by a CFI and asked to shut down immediately and
vacate the aircraft - cos I didnt have my piece of paper physically on
me. He knew I had a license but the rules say you have to have it with
you in the aircraft, and of course you are less likely to crash if
you have it wtih you .


That CFI sounds like a fun easy going guy.


If he didn't string him up on the windsock, he prolly was!

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Benjamin Dover writes:

Proof of inferior intelligence.

How so?


QED


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
news
writes:

Inability to recognize satire.

Is that a function of intelligence,


Yes.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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dgs writes:

This is a newsgroup for discussion of aviation and piloting. What
does your question have to do with aviation and piloting?

Slightly more than the isolated statement "You're an idiot," that you
made in your previous post.


Nope

bertie

Le Chaud Lapin wrote in news:973bd4de-18c9-40fd-
:

On Feb 12, 5:38*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
You are correct in that there are incorrect theories of lift in play,
but totally incorrect in any assumption that these incorrect theories
are not so well known as to be considered at this point in time 101 by
any good flight instructor.and indeed, any well trained pilot.
For you to appear here and state that pilots generally are unaware of
these issues is disingenuous *to a fault and totally untrue.

Hmm...the NASA site and a few other sites I found a few months ago
seemed to imply that incorrect theories of flight were still popular,
even among pilots. But of course, I cannot know.



And you never will.


bertie

Le Chaud Lapin wrote in
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On Feb 12, 6:51*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Le Chaud Lapin wrote:
On Feb 12, 5:38 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
You are correct in that there are incorrect theories of lift in
play, but totally incorrect in any assumption that these incorrect
theories are not so well known as to be considered at this point
in time 101 by any good flight instructor.and indeed, any well
trained pilot. For you to appear here and state that pilots
generally are unaware of these issues is disingenuous *to a fault
and totally untrue.

Hmm...the NASA site and a few other sites I found a few months ago
seemed to imply that incorrect theories of flight were still
popular, even among pilots. But of course, I cannot know.

There are basically 3 incorrect theories of lift and they are the
equal

transit theory, the "venturi" theory, and the reaction theory
concernin
g
the underside of the wing.
Both Bernoulli and Newton are in themselves complete explanations
of lift as both occur at the same instant in time on the surface
generatin
g
lift and one can not physically be present without the other.
Each can be used to explain lift, and good CFI's present lift
explainin
g
how both interact.

This information as I said is basic to all good pilots and CFI's.

Well, this response could have saved us a lot of typing in my OP on
backwash long ago.

Also...my Jeppesen "Private Pilot" "Guided Flight Discovery" book
was published in 2007, and what is written in it contradicts what
is written on the NASA site. *And what is written at two promiment
aero/ astro texts in the USA contradicts what is written on the
NASA site. And what my own flight instructor told me in ground
school contradicts what my physics book says.

I did consider the possibility that pilots who teach/write these
books know that some of what is being taught/written is not
accurate, but, in the interest of matriculating and moving the
student quickly through flight learning, they simply repeat what
was said in early days of flight.

Being an engineer, I would rather have had a disclaimer, something
like, "There is still much debate on this issue....but this is what
we know or think we know.."

-Le Chaud Lapin-

As I said, and said correctly, there are basically 3 incorrect
theories of lift out here and these are well known and corrected
daily by any good CFI or pilot.
Addressing your issue specifically, there are ALSO a considerable
amount of both CFI's and pilots who teach correct theory incorrectly,
which can cause even more confusion.
Contrary to what you have implied by your assertions here, I have
found the pilots and instructors on these forums to generally be
quite aware of the incorrect lift issues and more than willing
(Google is your friend on this) to engage those like yourself who
have questions. There are always a few "hold overs" from the old
incorrect days on any public forum, but to state that this condition
is anything close to systemic is a huge stretch.

There is nothing wrong with presenting a question that contradicts
some of what has been written about lift, but doing so as a challenge
to pilots everywhere will ruffle a few feathers every time.
There are many fine pilots out here who don't have engineering
degrees. I can assure you these people are anything but stupid.
If you are a student and as well a knowledgeable engineer, that can
show in your questions without being challenging or demeaning.
To reiterate, there are text books still in print that offer
incorrect information on this issue, but the main cause of confusion
lies in another direction. The books are being corrected every day,
and not all of them are wrong by a long shot.
The real "issue" on the subject of lift lies in the basic
misconceptions of a few, not in the ignorance of the general flying
community as you have incorrectly insinuated.

This is plain wrong.

Oh yeah, you';re here to learn.



In fact, my estimation of what pilots knew was far greater both before
ground school and before I made my post and before I read the Barry
Schiff's book.

I know that there are some pilots who understand system dynamics very
well. I saw a presentation on TV about blue angles, and for maybe 200
milliseconds, on the blackboard, I saw a transfer function, H(s),
something that you cannot appreciate without understanding complex
analysis. So I was impressed indeed.

That was *before* my experience with average pilots. The best
experience I had in talking to a real pilot was the person who runs
the local control tower. We had engaging conversation about feasibilty
of Moller's car. I also had a few conversations with the owner of my
pilot school, and of course, my instructor.

Those are real world pilot's I have met.


Bull****.

Bertie

terry wrote in news:fdf9952c-2c3b-47a9-b577-
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sometime ago I criticised pilots on this group about the harsh way
they were treating one mxsmanic. It seemed to me at the time to be a
bunch of egotistical pilots snubbing their nose at someone who was
genuinely interested in finding out about aviation, but didnt have the
wherewithall financially or intellectually to actually participate in
the real thing. No matter what your profession is, it always seemed
to me that promoting that profession in a good light to others was
part of what being a professional is all about. It has always been my
approach. I have now come to understand what a complete waste of time
trying to help this person is. I have never in all my life come across
an individual with an attitude like this. If any of you regulars
actually remember me for those comments, I unreservedly apologise.


No apologies neccesary. The unwitting defending him adds to the melee'....



Bertie