If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#31
|
|||
|
|||
WaltBJ wrote:
Here's some bird and ice impacts for you. One of my cadet classmates flying a Piper PA18 in primary at Hondo Texas hit a hawk - it came right through the windshield, alive and clawing. He wrung its neck and threw it into the rear. He still has a scar on his cheek. When I was at Homestead AFB 76-80 we had three buzzard strikes at Avon Park Range. Two hit the airframe and one hit the left quarter panel of the windshield. All strikes were when the F4s were doing 500K on low level weapons deliveries. The airframe strikes penetrated the fuselage skin around the intakes but no serious damage (other than a hole) was done. The windshield strike filled the cockpit with buzzard pieces and guts and disabled the front seater as most of the buzzard hit his shoulder. The rear seater was a pilot and landed the F4 at Avon park making an arrested engagement so the front seater could get immediate medical attention. He was dazed and his shoulder was severely bruised and he was half-nauseated from the buzzard guts but he recoverd quickly. A maintenance crew came up and repaired the F4 and another crew flew it back home. I was with Air Florida when one of our DC9s lunched an engine. 'Blue ice' from a leaking forward lavatory drain finally broke loose and the airflow carried it up over the wing and right into the engine intake. JT8Ds don't like large lumps of ice, regardless of color. BTW had anyone else noted the tabloids don;t carry stories about 'blue ice' from alien space any more? Hawks are great flyers but not too bright (where have we heard that description before?). We had a Swainson's hawk fly in front of our troop position just as we opened in Fire for Effect. The unit medical WO, our local hunter and wildlife nut, had it stuffed and mounted, and it was on the wall of the Medical Inspection Room until he retired. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
#32
|
|||
|
|||
"Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message ... snip Hawks are great flyers but not too bright (where have we heard that description before?). We had a Swainson's hawk fly in front of our troop position just as we opened in Fire for Effect. The unit medical WO, our local hunter and wildlife nut, had it stuffed and mounted, and it was on the wall of the Medical Inspection Room until he retired. Probably lucky he does not reside south of our mutual border. A lot of the birds of prey are protected here. And, as is apt to happen when lawyers and bureaucrats get together, the intent of the protective laws has been twisted beyond reason. Find an owl from the list that has been killed by a car and want to preserve it? You may find yourself facing federal charges. Maybe you are a fly fisherman who likes to tie his own flies and you collect a few feathers from the carcass of a hawk or owl? Ditto. You actually need a *permit* to hold feathers lost by the bird you may have picked up in the woods (there was a court case involving just that here in Virginia--in the end the defendent was able to show he was "descended from the Iroquois" (and thus his possession was covered by a claim of religious freedom) and won at the federal appelate level. Ridiculous that he had to go to that level, much less that he had to resort to his ethnic ancestry... Brooks -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
#33
|
|||
|
|||
In t,
Kevin Brooks radiated into the WorldWideWait: "Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message ... snip Hawks are great flyers but not too bright (where have we heard that description before?). We had a Swainson's hawk fly in front of our troop position just as we opened in Fire for Effect. The unit medical WO, our local hunter and wildlife nut, had it stuffed and mounted, and it was on the wall of the Medical Inspection Room until he retired. Probably lucky he does not reside south of our mutual border. A lot of the birds of prey are protected here. And, as is apt to happen when lawyers and bureaucrats get together, the intent of the protective laws has been twisted beyond reason. Find an owl from the list that has been killed by a car and want to preserve it? You may find yourself facing federal charges. Maybe you are a fly fisherman who likes to tie his own flies and you collect a few feathers from the carcass of a hawk or owl? Ditto. You actually need a *permit* to hold feathers lost by the bird you may have picked up in the woods (there was a court case involving just that here in Virginia--in the end the defendent was able to show he was "descended from the Iroquois" (and thus his possession was covered by a claim of religious freedom) and won at the federal appelate level. Ridiculous that he had to go to that level, much less that he had to resort to his ethnic ancestry... Don't forget the imbecility that only "certified" Indigenous American Aborigines may legally have eagle feathers in their possession. |
#34
|
|||
|
|||
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:06:16 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote: "Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message ... snip Hawks are great flyers but not too bright (where have we heard that description before?). We had a Swainson's hawk fly in front of our troop position just as we opened in Fire for Effect. The unit medical WO, our local hunter and wildlife nut, had it stuffed and mounted, and it was on the wall of the Medical Inspection Room until he retired. Probably lucky he does not reside south of our mutual border. A lot of the birds of prey are protected here. And, as is apt to happen when lawyers and bureaucrats get together, the intent of the protective laws has been twisted beyond reason. Find an owl from the list that has been killed by a car and want to preserve it? You may find yourself facing federal charges. Maybe you are a fly fisherman who likes to tie his own flies and you collect a few feathers from the carcass of a hawk or owl? Ditto. You actually need a *permit* to hold feathers lost by the bird you may have picked up in the woods (there was a court case involving just that here in Virginia--in the end the defendent was able to show he was "descended from the Iroquois" (and thus his possession was covered by a claim of religious freedom) and won at the federal appelate level. Ridiculous that he had to go to that level, much less that he had to resort to his ethnic ancestry... We have conditional and absolute discharge, ie. the court saying don't do it again, and don't bug us with this trivia respectively to deal with this sort of sillyness. Isn't there something similar in the states? Life can get a bit unpleasant for a judge who lets things get tied up with too much effort for too little crime. It's not perfect but it helps Peter Skelton |
#35
|
|||
|
|||
"Peter Skelton" wrote in message
We have conditional and absolute discharge, ie. the court saying don't do it again, and don't bug us with this trivia respectively to deal with this sort of sillyness. Isn't there something similar in the states? No, Sir. Life can get a bit unpleasant for a judge who lets things get tied up with too much effort for too little crime. Our Federal judges serve for life or good behavior (U.S. Constitution, Art. III, Sec. 1). Not much can happen to such an official who does get "tied down" in trivia. It's not perfect but it helps Perhaps. On the other hand it does keep the heavy hand of any given administration from bringing direct pressure on judges for some specific outcome. Bill Kambic If, by any act, error, or omission, I have, intentionally or unintentionally, displayed any breedist, disciplinist, sexist, racist, culturalist, nationalist, regionalist, localist, ageist, lookist, ableist, sizeist, speciesist, intellectualist, socioeconomicist, ethnocentrist, phallocentrist, heteropatriarchalist, or other violation of the rules of political correctness, known or unknown, I am not sorry and I encourage you to get over it. |
#36
|
|||
|
|||
"Bill Kambic" wrote in message ... "Peter Skelton" wrote in message We have conditional and absolute discharge, ie. the court saying don't do it again, and don't bug us with this trivia respectively to deal with this sort of sillyness. Isn't there something similar in the states? No, Sir. Life can get a bit unpleasant for a judge who lets things get tied up with too much effort for too little crime. Our Federal judges serve for life or good behavior (U.S. Constitution, Art. III, Sec. 1). So are Canadian judges http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/dept/pub/trib/page4.html Not much can happen to such an official who does get "tied down" in trivia. Except that he becomes unable to spend time on important matters. It's not perfect but it helps Perhaps. On the other hand it does keep the heavy hand of any given administration from bringing direct pressure on judges for some specific outcome. Bill Kambic How does spending time on trivial cases do that exactly ? The point Peter makes is valid. There have been similar cases in the UK where a trial judge found for the prosecution on the point of law but gave the defendant an absolute discharge and made the prosecution pay his costs after lecturing the prosecuting counsel about bringing such trivial matters before the court. This ****ed off the Crown Prosecution Service to be sure but was hardly evidence of the subservience of judges, quite the reverse in fact. Keith |
#37
|
|||
|
|||
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:27:56 -0500, "Bill Kambic"
wrote: "Peter Skelton" wrote in message We have conditional and absolute discharge, ie. the court saying don't do it again, and don't bug us with this trivia respectively to deal with this sort of sillyness. Isn't there something similar in the states? No, Sir. Life can get a bit unpleasant for a judge who lets things get tied up with too much effort for too little crime. Our Federal judges serve for life or good behavior (U.S. Constitution, Art. III, Sec. 1). Not much can happen to such an official who does get "tied down" in trivia. It's not perfect but it helps Perhaps. On the other hand it does keep the heavy hand of any given administration from bringing direct pressure on judges for some specific outcome. Judges here are not subject to job pressure from politicians, but there is a certain amount of peer review, and their decisions are, of course, public knowledge. How do you react to a coworker who's anal slowness keeps you from your family or who's nasty behaviour makes customers yell at you? Peter Skelton |
#38
|
|||
|
|||
"Duke of URL" macbenahATkdsiDOTnet wrote in message ... In t, Kevin Brooks radiated into the WorldWideWait: "Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message ... snip Hawks are great flyers but not too bright (where have we heard that description before?). We had a Swainson's hawk fly in front of our troop position just as we opened in Fire for Effect. The unit medical WO, our local hunter and wildlife nut, had it stuffed and mounted, and it was on the wall of the Medical Inspection Room until he retired. Probably lucky he does not reside south of our mutual border. A lot of the birds of prey are protected here. And, as is apt to happen when lawyers and bureaucrats get together, the intent of the protective laws has been twisted beyond reason. Find an owl from the list that has been killed by a car and want to preserve it? You may find yourself facing federal charges. Maybe you are a fly fisherman who likes to tie his own flies and you collect a few feathers from the carcass of a hawk or owl? Ditto. You actually need a *permit* to hold feathers lost by the bird you may have picked up in the woods (there was a court case involving just that here in Virginia--in the end the defendent was able to show he was "descended from the Iroquois" (and thus his possession was covered by a claim of religious freedom) and won at the federal appelate level. Ridiculous that he had to go to that level, much less that he had to resort to his ethnic ancestry... Don't forget the imbecility that only "certified" Indigenous American Aborigines may legally have eagle feathers in their possession. Nor the USF&WS prohibition against said "indigenous" peoples even giving gifts that include such feathers to non-Indians (to use the polically incorrect term), which IMHO is just further stupidity heeped upon that imbecility you note. ISTR Readers Digest did a story quite a few years back that pointed out the idiocy behind many of these "illegal feather" cases--one that stuck in my mind was some woman who had made one of those "dream catcher" thingies and sent or gave it to then First Lady Hillary Clinton (and no, this is not an anti-Clinton diatribe, as I have no idea she had any direct involvment whatsover with this case), and subsequently found herself being confronted by a Fish and Wildlife Service investigator and charged with illegal possession and istribution of prhibited feathers. IIRC another poor fellow found a dead owl and stuck it in his freezer (can't recall for what purpose...), and after being reported to same said service also faced charges. I would not have recalled these incidents were it not for the fact that my late brother was then into the fly-tying bit, and was in the habit of stopping and collecting hair and feathers from dead critters he saw on the side of the road, and I remember relaying the article's info to him. Brooks |
#39
|
|||
|
|||
"Peter Skelton" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:06:16 GMT, "Kevin Brooks" wrote: "Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message ... snip Hawks are great flyers but not too bright (where have we heard that description before?). We had a Swainson's hawk fly in front of our troop position just as we opened in Fire for Effect. The unit medical WO, our local hunter and wildlife nut, had it stuffed and mounted, and it was on the wall of the Medical Inspection Room until he retired. Probably lucky he does not reside south of our mutual border. A lot of the birds of prey are protected here. And, as is apt to happen when lawyers and bureaucrats get together, the intent of the protective laws has been twisted beyond reason. Find an owl from the list that has been killed by a car and want to preserve it? You may find yourself facing federal charges. Maybe you are a fly fisherman who likes to tie his own flies and you collect a few feathers from the carcass of a hawk or owl? Ditto. You actually need a *permit* to hold feathers lost by the bird you may have picked up in the woods (there was a court case involving just that here in Virginia--in the end the defendent was able to show he was "descended from the Iroquois" (and thus his possession was covered by a claim of religious freedom) and won at the federal appelate level. Ridiculous that he had to go to that level, much less that he had to resort to his ethnic ancestry... We have conditional and absolute discharge, ie. the court saying don't do it again, and don't bug us with this trivia respectively to deal with this sort of sillyness. Isn't there something similar in the states? Life can get a bit unpleasant for a judge who lets things get tied up with too much effort for too little crime. No, because that would deny the legal beagles another source of perpetual income--if we ruled out frivolous criminal charges and (worse yet) frivolous lawsuits, half of the esteemed bar would perish due to lack of business. No to mention the enforcement branch bureaucrats out scratching for violations of these stupid laws--not a lot of need for the skills of your average "possum cop" in the private sector. Of course, we could carry out significant legal reforms...if the lawyers were not so entrenched in our political process. So the vicious cycle continues. Brooks It's not perfect but it helps Peter Skelton |
#40
|
|||
|
|||
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:13:52 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote: "Peter Skelton" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:06:16 GMT, "Kevin Brooks" wrote: "Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message ... snip Hawks are great flyers but not too bright (where have we heard that description before?). We had a Swainson's hawk fly in front of our troop position just as we opened in Fire for Effect. The unit medical WO, our local hunter and wildlife nut, had it stuffed and mounted, and it was on the wall of the Medical Inspection Room until he retired. Probably lucky he does not reside south of our mutual border. A lot of the birds of prey are protected here. And, as is apt to happen when lawyers and bureaucrats get together, the intent of the protective laws has been twisted beyond reason. Find an owl from the list that has been killed by a car and want to preserve it? You may find yourself facing federal charges. Maybe you are a fly fisherman who likes to tie his own flies and you collect a few feathers from the carcass of a hawk or owl? Ditto. You actually need a *permit* to hold feathers lost by the bird you may have picked up in the woods (there was a court case involving just that here in Virginia--in the end the defendent was able to show he was "descended from the Iroquois" (and thus his possession was covered by a claim of religious freedom) and won at the federal appelate level. Ridiculous that he had to go to that level, much less that he had to resort to his ethnic ancestry... We have conditional and absolute discharge, ie. the court saying don't do it again, and don't bug us with this trivia respectively to deal with this sort of sillyness. Isn't there something similar in the states? Life can get a bit unpleasant for a judge who lets things get tied up with too much effort for too little crime. No, because that would deny the legal beagles another source of perpetual income--if we ruled out frivolous criminal charges and (worse yet) frivolous lawsuits, half of the esteemed bar would perish due to lack of business. And the downside is? (should be a smiley up ther, I suppose) Peter Skelton |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
chicken thief | Del Rawlins | Home Built | 3 | April 3rd 04 03:20 AM |
Britain Reveals Secret Weapon - Chicken Powered Nuclear Bomb ! | Ian | Military Aviation | 0 | April 2nd 04 03:18 PM |
WWII 20mm cannon in planes | zxcv | Military Aviation | 13 | March 10th 04 10:52 AM |
Future military fighters and guns - yes or no ? | championsleeper | Military Aviation | 77 | March 3rd 04 04:11 AM |
Development of British cannon ammuniation during WW2 | Jukka O. Kauppinen | Military Aviation | 14 | December 29th 03 09:25 AM |