Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam

Can you imitate Thurston Howell III?

"Jack" wrote

Hey, I DEROS'd 10 days early: maybe I should run for President.

From: Ian MacLure
Date: 7/11/2004 2:00 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Scott Peterson wrote in
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Ed Rasimus wrote:

Ever wonder why you never met an active duty military
medical doctor in the grade of Lt?

Met lots of them......in the Navy.

D'oh!
maybe the original should have specified an O grade
As in you don't see Medical Officers at O-2 or below.

IBM


Look again. Nurses and PAs start out as butter bars. Basic rule of thumb, not
followed rigidly: batchelor's degree = start as O-1, masters as O-2 and PhD as
O-3.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: Ian MacLure


Hmm, anybody know whether Algore tried to get a CIB?
I presume he wouldn't have been elegible what with being behind
a typewriter in a rear area.

He was in the wrong MOS.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Anyone wounded three times could opt out.

Of course if its discovered that any of those were self
inflicted as it is alleged that Baby Killer Kerry did...

Seriously now. Have you got even a shred of proof of that?

No wonder this country is going in the toilet if people like you vote.

Walt

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:31:31 +0000, WalterM140 wrote:

Anyone wounded three times could opt out.

Of course if its discovered that any of those were self
inflicted as it is alleged that Baby Killer Kerry did...

Seriously now. Have you got even a shred of proof of that?

More proof than you've got

No wonder this country is going in the toilet if people like you vote.

No, its going into the toilet because they let anybody with a
body a few degrees above room tempterature vote. In some
cases ( and guess which party they have historically been
associated with ) you don't even need to be breathing to vote.
That would certainly explain Algore. He's from the Zombie wing
of the Dimmocrips.

IBM

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From: (WalterM140)

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No wonder this country is going in the toilet if people like you vote.

Walt

That was uncalled for.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"WalterM140" wrote in message
...

Of course if its discovered that any of those were self
inflicted as it is alleged that Baby Killer Kerry did...

Seriously now. Have you got even a shred of proof of that?


The following letter appeared in the USA Today "Letters" section on June
25th last, page 8A:



Criticism of Kerry's Purple Heart is just

Retired U.S. army colonel David Hackworth defends presidential
candidate John Kerry's Purple Hearts. He correctly notes that they are
awarded for a wound that necessitates treatment by a medical officer and
that is received in action with an enemy ('The meaning of a Purple Heart,"
The Forum, June 16).

I was the commanding officer to whom Kerry reported his injury on Dec.
3, 1968. I had confirmed that there was no hostile fire that night and that
Kerry had simply wounded himself with an M-79 grenade round he fired too
close. He wanted a Purple Heart, and I refused. Louis Letson, the base
physician, saw Kerry and used tweezers to remove the tiny piece of
shrapnel - about 1 centi*meter in length and 2 millimeters in di*ameter.
Letson also confirmed that the scratch was inflicted with our M-79.

We admire Col. Hackworth, but he, above all people, knows why it is
unac*ceptable to nominate yourself for an award. It compromises the basic
military principle that we survive together. To promote yourself is to
denigrate your team. I hope Col. Hackworth will rethink his characterization
of Kerry's swift-boat comrades as "grousers" passing on "secondhand bilge."
In our case, this is firsthand knowledge, and our integrity is unquestioned.

Kerry orchestrated his way out of Viet*nam and then testified, under
oath, be*fore Congress that we, his comrades, had committed horrible war
crimes. This tes*timony was a lie and slandered honor*able men. We, who were
actually there, believe he is unfit to command our sons and daughters.

Grant Hibbard, retired commander US. Navy, Gulf Breeze, Fla.

Louis Letson, M.D. Retired lieutenant commander Medical Corps, US. Navy
Reserve Scottsboro, Ala.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
news
"WalterM140" wrote in message
...

Of course if its discovered that any of those were self
inflicted as it is alleged that Baby Killer Kerry did...

Seriously now. Have you got even a shred of proof of that?


The following letter appeared in the USA Today "Letters" section on
June 25th last, page 8A:

[snip]

Manna from heaven so to speak.
Wunnerful ain't it.

IBM

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Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: "ian maclure"
Date: 7/16/2004 1:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:33:48 +0000, ArtKramr wrote:

Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: Jack
Date: 7/16/2004 9:22 AM Pacific Standard Time

o you consider this to be the truth of your own combat experience as
well? Care to tell us about the atrocities which you committed and which
we should, by extension, assume were common among US Soldiers, Sailors,
and Airmen in WW2?

Not a day goes by that I don't remember my bomb patterns falling in
crowded
cities that I don't wonder how many children were down there at the time.
I
never talk about that apect of the war. Kerry has a lot more courage than I
do.

The industrial paradigm of the day had the plants and living areas
interpersed within the cities. Kind of made what happened inevit-
able. Regrettable of course but given the non-precision technology
of the day unavoidable. The level of skill required to carry out
some of the pinpoint raids ( Shell House for one ) wasn't something
you could get in mass quantities. That would have reduced civilian
deaths but not eliminated them entirely.
Its not something you should dismiss lightly and if at times it
bothers you thats only to be expected. You need not however
chastise yourself for the results.

I don't think I chastise myself. It is just the persistance of memory. I did
what had to be done at the time. And I did it without reservation or regret.
But I raised three children. When they were young I would play with them, read
them stories give them hugs and kisses as a daddy does. But every now and again
as I was doing this I would think of the bomb patterns over Cologne and the
smoke and flames rising to 5,000 feet and wonder. And I am still wondering. I
guess it is the occupational hazard of all bombardiers. The bombardier on the
Enola Gay became a priest in Japan.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...

I don't think I chastise myself. It is just the persistance of memory. I
did
what had to be done at the time. And I did it without reservation or
regret.
But I raised three children. When they were young I would play with them,
read
them stories give them hugs and kisses as a daddy does. But every now and
again
as I was doing this I would think of the bomb patterns over Cologne and
the
smoke and flames rising to 5,000 feet and wonder. And I am still
wondering. I
guess it is the occupational hazard of all bombardiers. The bombardier on
the
Enola Gay became a priest in Japan.


The bombardier on the Enola Gay, Thomas W. Ferebee, retired from the USAF as
a Colonel in 1970. After leaving the Air Force, he worked in real estate in
and around Orlando, Florida. He and his wife had four sons.