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I knew I couldn't be the only BSG fan here. "Flight of the Phoenix"
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"RST Engineering" wrote Will they kick their "and" as well? Don't ass me to repeat it! -- Jim in NC |
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Jerry Springer wrote: snip Why do people like you hang out here??????????? You have made some of the most asinine statements lately. You don't seem to have a grasp of reality or understand why some people like to build and fly homebuilts. People do an infinite many things for an infinite many reasons, but some tend to be successful and some tend to end up in a lot of money spent with dismal results, and some others result in an inordinate percentage of people being killed. I grew up on an airport and have worked in line service, avionics shops, aircraft parts and a few other things. I have seen people work on projects for ten years, lose their medical, their money or their interest and never fly, more than once. I have also seen people DIE, right in front of me. I have watched people take off thinking they would be back in an hour or a day and heard they had crashed shortly thereafter. In one case a family of four, two killed, one paralyzed, fourth killed herself two weeks later. Another case pilot alone, just licensed, own airplane (a certified factory one) he had worked for _years_ for, decided didn't need insurance(!). Walked out without a scratch, totalled a/c, never flew again. Knew another homebuilder sold a project 95% complete, guy finished, crashed and died, widow harassed him for years-builder's wife left him due to harassment/fear. Pointing out bad ideas is my right and obligation. You are free to disagree. But we are never going to have more than 1/3 of 1 percent of the population flying unless the personal aviation ndustry takes responsibility for its own. And experimentals, like it or not, are a big part of the industry. And if personal aviation does not grow to where it is at least as big as, say, riding modified motorcycles, it won't have the political clout not to be legislated out of existence like in Europe and Asia. Less than two million active pilots in the US means it's a precarious thing. Most people in this hobby are actually stuck up and anti-growth-they like uncrowdwd skies-but unless you are a multimillionaire you no longer are able to fly in most countries. |
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"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
oups.com... Why does a person with no pilot's license build a homebuilt??????? Why would a person get a pilot's license if his/her homebuilt isn't done yet??????? -- Geoff the sea hawk at wow way d0t com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail Spell checking is left as an excercise for the reader. |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:52:09 -0400, "Capt. Geoffry Thorpe" The Sea
Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote: Why would a person get a pilot's license if his/her homebuilt isn't done yet??????? Oh that's an easy one: So they can legally fly it when it's done! What did I win? ;-) It is in fact what I ended up doing, although ultimately I decided that I would not complete my project and have now managed to sell it. But I still fly when the weather is nice. Corky Scott |
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I see you got many replies, none of which address your question. I don't think there is a FAR that prohibits training in an experimental, but your operating limitations more than likely will, with possible exceptions. Many of the FARs explicitly state that they don't apply to experimentals (Part 43, for example), but the FAA adds a few rules back in that it considers important by stuffing them into your operating limitations that come with your airwrthiness certificate. For example, the OLs for my RV-6 state that it cannot be used for commercial purposes, including flight training. It can be used, however, for my personal training, and in fact it was used for me to earn my tailwheel endorsement. I can't turn around and use it to train another student, though. Nor can I use it to tow a banner. It's hard to guess how they're going to view a Hummelbird compared to something like an RV-9A. This will more than likely ultimately come down to a "negotiation" with the FAA inspector that signs off on your airworthiness certificate. Caveat: I'm not a lawyer (which I'm sure will be well proven in the ensuing and inevitable flames), and I could be completely full of crap (which will also be alleged). I can only tell you what's in my OLs because I've read them. I don't know what your experience will be. Best bet would be to contact the airworthiness inspector at your regional FSDO - he's the guy you'll be working with. Chris Wells wrote: I'm building a Hummelbird, and I was hoping to use it towards my private pilot's license, but I've heard that I can't use an experimental for flight training. I looked through my FARAIM '97 and I can't find anything to verify that. Has anything changed regarding this since then? Can someone point me to the relevant regulations? -- Chris Wells |
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I see you got many replies, none of which address your question. I don't think there is a FAR that prohibits training in an experimental, but your operating limitations more than likely will, with possible exceptions. Many of the FARs explicitly state that they don't apply to experimentals (Part 43, for example), but the FAA adds a few rules back in that it considers important by stuffing them into your operating limitations that come with your airwrthiness certificate. For example, the OLs for my RV-6 state that it cannot be used for commercial purposes, including flight training. It can be used, however, for my personal training, and in fact it was used for me to earn my tailwheel endorsement. I can't turn around and use it to train another student, though. Nor can I use it to tow a banner. It's hard to guess how they're going to view a Hummelbird compared to something like an RV-9A. This will more than likely ultimately come down to a "negotiation" with the FAA inspector that signs off on your airworthiness certificate. Caveat: I'm not a lawyer (which I'm sure will be well proven in the ensuing and inevitable flames), and I could be completely full of crap (which will also be alleged). I can only tell you what's in my OLs because I've read them. I don't know what your experience will be. Best bet would be to contact the airworthiness inspector at your regional FSDO - he's the guy you'll be working with. Chris Wells wrote: I'm building a Hummelbird, and I was hoping to use it towards my private pilot's license, but I've heard that I can't use an experimental for flight training. I looked through my FARAIM '97 and I can't find anything to verify that. Has anything changed regarding this since then? Can someone point me to the relevant regulations? -- Chris Wells |
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I've talked to the guys in my club, and I've been told that there's nothing that says you can't use an experimental aircraft towards your PP...however, since the Hummelbird is a single place aircraft, I've been told it'll be next to impossible to find someone willing to sign me off on it, for liability reasons I guess.
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Experimentals and flight training
Chris Wells wrote:
I'm building a Hummelbird, and I was hoping to use it towards my private pilot's license, but I've heard that I can't use an experimental for flight training. I looked through my FARAIM '97 and I can't find anything to verify that. Has anything changed regarding this since then? Can someone point me to the relevant regulations? Chris a new FAR AIM is only 15 bucks...I do not think your dream will come true. I think your time towards a PPL will need to be logged in a craft for which the license applies. Tony |
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Experimentals and flight training
I know it is possible to get a sport pilots certificate in a single
place aircraft, but you will be restricted to flying that make/model and no passengers until you later get checked out in a different craft. |
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