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More than true..
I had a friend who, several years ago, landed his 185 with the Amphib wheels down.. An instant "face plant" that he barley escaped from with his life (both doors jambed) A detail missed on a combination land/water circuit that, fortunately only cost him the aircraft... Dave On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 22:43:08 -0500, "Highflyer" wrote: "Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... Highflyer wrote: No. You can if you want to though! :-) I used to fly a Seabee. You want the gear UP for a water landing and the gear DOWN for a runway landing. I used to announce "This is a WATER landing. The landing gear is UP" and then look out my window at the gear and look at it and then say "My landing gear is UP." For a land landing I would make suitable adjustments. Sometimes passengers looked at me funny, but I never landed with the gear in the wrong position! :-) In the seabee it's a bigger deal to land gear down in the water than gear up on the land. Just a little scraping and difficulty with taxi. That is very true. Any amphibian, even amphibious floats, when landed on water with the wheels down will generally make for a real "slam dunk" and the airplane will do its best to emulate a submarine. Any amphibian, landing on land with the wheels up, will generally scrape a bit off the keels and scratch a little paint if you land on pavement and likely won't do a thing if you land on grass. We used to land airplanes on straight floats on the grass every fall to change them over to wheels or skis for the winter. In the spring we would put the floats back on and take off either with a dolly that stayed on the runway, or off of wet grass! Highflyer Highflight Aviation Services Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY ) |
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noflapsatgmail.com wrote in message I have a new level of respect for
ATC after what happened today. And an even higher level of respect for Checklists! ATC policy in this region is to notify the FAA FSDO of the incident. They in turn mail out a form with which to self-incriminate one's self. D. |
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I did a check ride in a 172 this week in Honolulu and when we went over to
another airport to do a couple touch and goes they said the gear down thing. I thought it was odd. "kontiki" wrote in message ... Towers at military fields issue a "check gear down" instruction along with the landing clearance... I always thought that would be a good idea for GA also. It usually takes a while to get a Comanche slowed down enough so extending the gear is more of a necessity. I usually keep my speed up pretty well until closing in on the field which practically forces me to reach for the gear lever to get slowed down enough. But things such as long straight in approaches, or getting slowed down further out can lull you into a sense of comfort. There's just no substitute for doing the GUMPS check religiously. |
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On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 23:02:18 -0500, "Highflyer" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Nothing worse than that sinking feeling just before you hear the tortured sound of metal on the runway. Then discovering you have to use full power to taxi...... I've made it a habit to do a "short final Checklist"...levers forward, gear down and locked. It has saved me from that embarassing sinking feeling a couple times while distracted on short final. Checklists are good. Ok, almost a necessity, but there is one thing they can't do and that is keep you from forgetting to put the gear down every time. There is such a thing as conditioning. We see what we expect and react accordingly. When I was getting checked out in the Deb, the insurance company required 25 hours dual(or I think it was...been a while). I had been doing air work, lots of take offs and landings, instrument work, (lots of hood work), emergency procedures (51 turns to get the gear down) and to crank the gear down you have to lean back between the seats. You can see the instruments, but absolutely nothing outside and it takes nearly 3 minutes to crank that sucker down. I had been expecting the instructor to pull the breaker, but hours had gone by with nary a touch. We were coming back in from a good instrument work out. I entered the pattern and turned down wind. A touch of flaps to help slow us, then hit the gear switch near the end of the runway outbound. (GU[green light and nose gear pointer down]MP) Coming up on base I was having a devil of a time slowing to 90, but with a bit of flaps and work I had 90 on base with 80 on final. I did a GUMP on base and final as well. I even did a 100 foot gear check. As we came over the numbers and I started easing the nose up I was greeted by a loud, obnoxious (cheap sounding) alarm. My hand automatically went to the throttle so I could regroup my thoughts at a more leisurely pace. I not only had missed the tell tale deceleration which feels like you put on the brakes when the gear comes down, I had pointed to the green light for the mains, *identified* it as lit, pointed to the nose gear indicator and identified it as down *FOUR* times if you count the 100 foot gear check. BTW you are still 30 to 40 feet up when you start the round out in the Deb. Even though the green light was not lit I identified it as being so. Even though the nose gear pointer was up, I looked at it and identified it as down. I saw what I had been conditioned to expect. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com Ol S&B I remember many years ago we had a Bonanza land. He was going to retract the flaps on rollout and hit the gear switch instead. Then a bump in the runway lifted him off the "squat switch" and the gear instantly retracted putting him on his belly. Contrary to popular belief this is almost as common in other retracts as well. We notified the FAA and they send an inspector down from the GADO ( now FSDO ). He flew over to our airport in one of the FAA's light twins. And proceeded to land gear up! We gave him a bad time about having to send another inspector down to investigate HIS gear up landing! He was a mite embarassed. :-) Highflyer Highflight Aviation Services Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY ) Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY ) |
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