"Flying too High" by Steven Pomper

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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I don't know. I haven't studied that history. What was the purpose of IFR
before ATC was established?

Same as now, to keep the plane upright in the absence of a visible
horizon.

Yet the FAA not only allows VFR flying in the absence of a visible horizon,
it even allows you to log instrument time when flying VFR under those
conditions. That's why I conclude that the primary purpose (these days) of
the IFR-VFR distinction concerns separation rather than instrument flying
per se.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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Yet the FAA not only allows VFR flying in the absence of a visible
horizon, it even allows you to log instrument time when flying VFR under
those conditions. That's why I conclude that the primary purpose (these
days) of the IFR-VFR distinction concerns separation rather than
instrument flying per se.


The first airway of any distance to have a continuous radio-marked course
went into full-time operation in November 1928 between New York and
Cleveland. Separation would not be provided on it until 1935.

("Steven P. McNicoll" wrote)
The first airway of any distance to have a continuous radio-marked course
went into full-time operation in November 1928 between New York and
Cleveland. Separation would not be provided on it until 1935.


1935? How did that work?


Montblack

"Montblack" wrote in message
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1935? How did that work?


The first Airways Traffic Control Center was established at Newark on
December 1, 1935. Centers at Chicago and Cleveland would soon follow. They
were initially operated by the airlines with the expectation that the
federal government would assume control of them. That occurred in July
1936. As more Centers were established in the following years more airways
became controlled.

Dave Stadt wrote:
wrote in message
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If alcohol were a factor in only 1% of automobile accidents, there
probably wouldn't be any DWI laws. That's the average statistic for GA.

It's around 50% for automobile accidents and near 0% for aircraft accidents.

Around 25% of statistics are BS. About another 25% aren't relevant to
the conversation their brought into. The other 50% are made up.

(-:


-m
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TaxSrv wrote:

He was not a moron, but rather a Kennedy, and Kennedys are people
who must succeed. He was well aware he lacked the skills for this,
but pressed on as Kennedys must. Read the NTSB carefully, and see
the lack of self-confidence, like how he had an instructor with him
on almost all his cross-country trips, on even nice days, and
despite having over 300 hours. Does any pilot here know somebody
who does this?

Most people like this don't have the Kennedy money, so they quit and
troll around Usenet groups providing sage wisdom to dumb pilots.


-m
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"Hank Rausch" wrote in message
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Skylune wrote:
Here is the solution:

http://ismydrivingsafe.com/rs/Driver...%20Program.htm

I went to this site and now I think I understand your position
vis-a-vis GA. The website is a prescription for a citizen surveillance
program that would have found acceptance in East Germany or communist
China. Anyone who would advocate such a sytem must have a deep seated
fear of personal liberty. If GA (and personal liberty) really bothers
you all that much, there are many more restrictive regimes on the
planet in which to live. I suspect that killing off GA would not
satisfy a person who advocates the driving surveillance program, as
there are many other ways Americans exercise their personal freedoms
that would remain. Short of some sort of fascist takeover, you can't
strip all the liberties away that bother you--it would be easier just
to move to an authoritarian country.


I love knee jerk reactions as much as the next guy but...

How does hiring a company to see if those you have authorized to drive your
vehicles and buy doing so put you at great liability in any way have a damn
thing to do with the loss of personal liberty?

Sorry Orville.

("Steven P. McNicoll" wrote)
[snip]
As more Centers were established in the following years more airways
became controlled.


How did they plot all of those planes' positions? Pilot reports or their own
triangulations?

With no radar, what were the controllers doing in the late 30's, waiting for
pilots to call in and tell Center where they thought they were?

Curious how things worked before radar?


Montblack

The first Airways Traffic Control Center was established at Newark on
December 1, 1935. Centers at Chicago and Cleveland would soon follow.
They were initially operated by the airlines with the expectation that the
federal government would assume control of them. That occurred in July
1936. As more Centers were established in the following years more
airways became controlled.

Steven, can you recommend a good "History of the Airways" book that covers
all this kind of stuff?

I am better versed than average on the history of aviation, but I'm pretty
fuzzy on the details of ATC history.

Thanks!
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Jay Honeck
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