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Old May 2nd 07, 05:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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You are dead right - but then the assumption is you surprised nobody and
you are engaged by the killing defenses which is one reason why a clear
decision needs to be made if you are focused on stealth as a strong case
leading to some degree of invisibility that net's some degree of
surprise against a spectrum of threats or a point design that works only
on one thing. In short use cruise missiles in this case.

If you are flying with stealth you may want to close off the canopy if
you can, if you are being searched out by lasers then your eyes could be
hurt before the systems and sensors would be hurt, in such a
progression. Think back on the problems with laser designators and the
various intentional and accidental bindings of personnel - this resulted
in laser glasses that were to protect the eyes in certain known utility
frequencies - but now the power is up and the spectrum expanded. The
aluminum canopy could actually be a glass/plastic one that when a strong
laser touches it turns immediately opaque and the helmet system becomes
the primary flight reference instrument set.




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Flashnews wrote:
Not only that Ed, it sets up the way one could work against lasers -
in a rough sense just think about an aluminum canopy.


So you put the metal canopy of it, and instead of blinding you, the
laser blinds the plane's cameras...and then, as you are descending
under your parachute, the laser gets around to blinding you also. Then
it sets the chute on fire.

Pat



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Old May 2nd 07, 07:52 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Flashnews wrote:

If you are flying with stealth you may want to close off the canopy if
you can, if you are being searched out by lasers then your eyes could be
hurt before the systems and sensors would be hurt, in such a
progression. Think back on the problems with laser designators and the
various intentional and accidental bindings of personnel - this resulted
in laser glasses that were to protect the eyes in certain known utility
frequencies - but now the power is up and the spectrum expanded. The
aluminum canopy could actually be a glass/plastic one that when a strong
laser touches it turns immediately opaque and the helmet system becomes
the primary flight reference instrument set.


This is practical now; B-1B's use electro-optical material in the
windscreen to turn it opaque in a split second if a nuclear flash is
detected (I assume the B-2 has the same feature) to prevent the crew
from being blinded. The same technique could be used for laser attack
protection. More than lasers, microwave weapons might be the major
threat in the future.

Pat
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Old May 3rd 07, 02:52 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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you bet and it could be also used in glasses or visors for troopers



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Flashnews wrote:

If you are flying with stealth you may want to close off the canopy
if you can, if you are being searched out by lasers then your eyes
could be hurt before the systems and sensors would be hurt, in such a
progression. Think back on the problems with laser designators and
the various intentional and accidental bindings of personnel - this
resulted in laser glasses that were to protect the eyes in certain
known utility frequencies - but now the power is up and the spectrum
expanded. The aluminum canopy could actually be a glass/plastic one
that when a strong laser touches it turns immediately opaque and the
helmet system becomes the primary flight reference instrument set.


This is practical now; B-1B's use electro-optical material in the
windscreen to turn it opaque in a split second if a nuclear flash is
detected (I assume the B-2 has the same feature) to prevent the crew
from being blinded. The same technique could be used for laser attack
protection. More than lasers, microwave weapons might be the major
threat in the future.

Pat



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Old May 3rd 07, 05:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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On Apr 30, 8:24 am, Mike wrote:
Geostrategy-Direct
Week of May 2, 2007
MILITARY TECHNOLOGY

Helmet system replaces heads-up display on F-35s


Like this one?
http://www.eurofighter.com/et_as_co_hm.asp

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Old May 4th 07, 05:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Pat Flannery wrote:
Ed Rasimus wrote:
If you look at the wing you see
video from the bottom side so you essentially look right through it.
Look at the floor and you get the bottom fuselage video so you see
what is beneath your feet.
Might be a bit vertigo inducing, sort of like hurtling through open
space at several hundred knots with nothing around you!


My God! We've reverse-engineered Wonder Woman's jet! ;-)


No, this is the reverse.

The pilot thinks he has an invisible jet.

-HJC
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Old May 7th 07, 07:07 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
Benjamin Gawert
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* tomcervo:
Helmet system replaces heads-up display on F-35s


Like this one?
http://www.eurofighter.com/et_as_co_hm.asp


Or the HMS the MiG-29 already got in 1986..

Helmet mounted displays are nothing new. The only novelty is that the
JSF uses it as a replacement of a conventional HUD.

Benjamin
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Old May 7th 07, 03:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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On Mon, 07 May 2007 08:07:54 +0200, Benjamin Gawert
wrote:

* tomcervo:
Helmet system replaces heads-up display on F-35s


Like this one?
http://www.eurofighter.com/et_as_co_hm.asp


Or the HMS the MiG-29 already got in 1986..

Helmet mounted displays are nothing new. The only novelty is that the
JSF uses it as a replacement of a conventional HUD.

Benjamin


We're talking several generations of difference here in terms of what
the HMDS is offering.

It's like saying the ME-262 already had jet engines in 1945, so what's
new about the F-22.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com
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Old May 7th 07, 11:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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On 30 Kwi, 17:34, Ed Rasimus wrote:

An old buddy who has been working out of Ft. Worth with the design
team was telling me at one of the Rat reunions about the integrated
video cameras mounted in the skin that project into the helmet based
on where you are looking. If you turn to a place where the airframe is
in the way you get video from the camera on the other side of the
structure so your view is unimpeded. If you look at the wing you see
video from the bottom side so you essentially look right through it.
Look at the floor and you get the bottom fuselage video so you see
what is beneath your feet.

Might be a bit vertigo inducing, sort of like hurtling through open
space at several hundred knots with nothing around you!

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com


Just like in one of the modes in Combat Flight Simulator 3;-) Strange
feeling like lying on the belly along the fuselage and looking thorugh
a prop hubcap, even for somebody who never flew the real thing.

Wouldn't a helmet-mounted sight coupled with a good EO/FLIR/laser pod
turret be good enough?

Best regards,
Jacek

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Old May 10th 07, 12:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
Benjamin Gawert
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* Ed Rasimus:

Helmet mounted displays are nothing new. The only novelty is that the
JSF uses it as a replacement of a conventional HUD.


We're talking several generations of difference here in terms of what
the HMDS is offering.


Well, the difference is not *that* huge. The only thing that is done in
the F-35 is to move the complete display part from the HUD to the HMDS
(which IMHO does make sense, I wonder why this hasn't been done before
already).

Benjamin
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Old May 11th 07, 01:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Benjamin Gawert wrote:

Well, the difference is not *that* huge. The only thing that is done
in the F-35 is to move the complete display part from the HUD to the
HMDS (which IMHO does make sense, I wonder why this hasn't been done
before already).


It all got started in South Africa of all places; they hooked the
tracking systems of their Kukri IR AAMs into the helmet so that the
pilot only had to look at the target to slew the optics of the missiles
around and let them lock onto it.
From that point forward, it was simply a matter of getting the mass of
the helmet down to the point where it wouldn't snap the pilot's neck if
he had to eject, while adding more and more to its capabilities.
I'm sure our Huey gunner's helmets with their automated gun-slewing
mechanisms also played a big part in the overall history; but you don't
pull high Gs in a Huey unless you crash.

Pat

 




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