Private Pilot without Medical -- Sport Pilot operation?

I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

Danny Deger

Starting Sept. 1 go fly your butt off*.

*So many caviats that I can't begin to list them here. Visit
www.sportpilot.org or is it .com? Either way you can get there via eaa.org.

"Danny Deger" wrote in message
m...
I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

Danny Deger

why not just go get your medical renewed?

"Danny Deger" wrote in message
m...
I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

Danny Deger

"Danny Deger" wrote in message
m...
I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting a
third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc., then
you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter, putting the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I didn't take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified by
not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
So, why don't you just go take the physical?

"Casey Wilson" wrote in message
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We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting a
third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc., then
you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter, putting
the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.

Not all disqualifying physical conditions degrade skills etc. For example,
people recovering from cancer are disqualified, but (excepting any
required medication) this doesn't affect their ability to fly.

Everything is about balancing risk. While I'd not be particularly happy
to see a sports pilot chugging through class B airspace over a large
city, what's the harm in allowing an old duffer who still has a gleam in
his eye the pleasure of spending a lazy Sunday punching holes in the
sky over the fields?

If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.

I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I didn't
take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.

Live and let live eh? Remember, even fighting fit 68-year-olds are a
statistical danger to other pilots and innocents on the ground. You should
be thankful the FAA doesn't set the bar so high that even you can't cross
it.

B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
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"Casey Wilson" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
m...
I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting a
third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc., then
you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter, putting
the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I didn't
take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified by
not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
So, why don't you just go take the physical?

I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with a Special
Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for ANY class of flying
due to a heart bypass operation. Following retirement I kept up my medical
(every 6 months) which required a stress EKG, cardiologist evaluation, blood
counts, etc, plus every other test had to include a thallium injection with
a scan. This was in addition to a normal FAA flight physical.

After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the thallium
scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew my medical. I
thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my cardiologist. But his
and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So I let it lapse since I could
teach flight sims without a medical certificate. Since then I have had a
hip replacement and am currently being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of
the bone marrow. I'm pointing out these things to show that in some cases
it is very difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.

I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80 flight
simulator. I have never had any physical problems while flying the
simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel quite safe to fly.
I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA. The only prescription medicine
I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and would be very interested in Sport
Aircraft flying if I could do that with just my driver's license.

"Darrell" wrote in
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"Casey Wilson" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
m...
I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I
need to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been
denied a medical.

We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way
I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting
a third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something
like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an
antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc.,
then you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter,
putting the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I
didn't
take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified
by
not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
So, why don't you just go take the physical?

I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with a
Special Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for ANY
class of flying due to a heart bypass operation. Following retirement
I kept up my medical (every 6 months) which required a stress EKG,
cardiologist evaluation, blood counts, etc, plus every other test had
to include a thallium injection with a scan. This was in addition to
a normal FAA flight physical.

After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the
thallium scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew my
medical. I thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my
cardiologist. But his and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So I
let it lapse since I could teach flight sims without a medical
certificate. Since then I have had a hip replacement and am currently
being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of the bone marrow. I'm
pointing out these things to show that in some cases it is very
difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.

I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80
flight simulator. I have never had any physical problems while flying
the simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel quite
safe to fly. I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA. The only
prescription medicine I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and would be very
interested in Sport Aircraft flying if I could do that with just my
driver's license.




Assuming you feel you are safe to fly (medical wise) and you have a
drivers licence you CAN FLY TOMORROW..... in an ercoupe (c or cd) some
Taylor craft, some cubs, etc, not to mention a Sonex or Zodiac (other
than HDS) or........

I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....

In spite of all the whining here, that is really the ONLY part of Sport
Pilot that really goes into effect tomorow as far as who can fly....

The rest of us who are not yet pilots, and want to be Sport Pilots, have
to wait until Jan 15th.

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

"ET" wrote in message
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"Darrell" wrote in
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"Casey Wilson" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
m...
I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I
need to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been
denied a medical.

We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way
I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting
a third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something
like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an
antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc.,
then you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter,
putting the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I
didn't
take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified
by
not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
So, why don't you just go take the physical?

I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with a
Special Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for ANY
class of flying due to a heart bypass operation. Following retirement
I kept up my medical (every 6 months) which required a stress EKG,
cardiologist evaluation, blood counts, etc, plus every other test had
to include a thallium injection with a scan. This was in addition to
a normal FAA flight physical.

After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the
thallium scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew my
medical. I thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my
cardiologist. But his and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So I
let it lapse since I could teach flight sims without a medical
certificate. Since then I have had a hip replacement and am currently
being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of the bone marrow. I'm
pointing out these things to show that in some cases it is very
difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.

I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80
flight simulator. I have never had any physical problems while flying
the simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel quite
safe to fly. I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA. The only
prescription medicine I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and would be very
interested in Sport Aircraft flying if I could do that with just my
driver's license.




Assuming you feel you are safe to fly (medical wise) and you have a
drivers licence you CAN FLY TOMORROW..... in an ercoupe (c or cd) some
Taylor craft, some cubs, etc, not to mention a Sonex or Zodiac (other
than HDS) or........

I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....

In spite of all the whining here, that is really the ONLY part of Sport
Pilot that really goes into effect tomorow as far as who can fly....

The rest of us who are not yet pilots, and want to be Sport Pilots, have
to wait until Jan 15th.


Wrong...

He had a medical denied so he has to jump though the hoops at least once
more and then let the special issuance expire.

"Gig Giacona" wrote in
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"ET" wrote in message
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"Darrell" wrote in
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"Casey Wilson" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
m...
I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I
need to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been
denied a medical.

We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The
way I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk
getting a third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be
flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something
like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication,
but otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an
antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition,
etc., then you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that
matter, putting the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I
didn't
take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have
passed. Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be
justified by
not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart
safety.
So, why don't you just go take the physical?

I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with
a Special Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for
ANY class of flying due to a heart bypass operation. Following
retirement I kept up my medical (every 6 months) which required a
stress EKG, cardiologist evaluation, blood counts, etc, plus every
other test had to include a thallium injection with a scan. This
was in addition to a normal FAA flight physical.

After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the
thallium scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew
my medical. I thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my
cardiologist. But his and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So
I let it lapse since I could teach flight sims without a medical
certificate. Since then I have had a hip replacement and am
currently being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of the bone
marrow. I'm pointing out these things to show that in some cases
it is very difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.

I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80
flight simulator. I have never had any physical problems while
flying the simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel
quite safe to fly. I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA.
The only prescription medicine I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and
would be very interested in Sport Aircraft flying if I could do
that with just my driver's license.




Assuming you feel you are safe to fly (medical wise) and you have a
drivers licence you CAN FLY TOMORROW..... in an ercoupe (c or cd)
some Taylor craft, some cubs, etc, not to mention a Sonex or Zodiac
(other than HDS) or........

I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....

In spite of all the whining here, that is really the ONLY part of
Sport Pilot that really goes into effect tomorow as far as who can
fly....

The rest of us who are not yet pilots, and want to be Sport Pilots,
have to wait until Jan 15th.


Wrong...

He had a medical denied so he has to jump though the hoops at least
once more and then let the special issuance expire.



No, he said he let it lapse.

After reading his post again though, what he needs to do is pay the ten
dollars to the FAA to see what they really have on record for him. Did
he really just let it lapse, or did they request furthur info, he not
turn in the info, so they denied it??

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

ET wrote

I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....

What's a "bi-annual"? :-) Oh! You meant to say biennial flight
review. But even that term is no longer used either, it's just
a "flight review" now.

BTW, biannual means twice-a-year, we sure don't need that!

Bob Moore
ATP CFI