Private Pilot without Medical -- Sport Pilot operation?

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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
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I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I
need to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been
denied a medical.

We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The
way I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk
getting a third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be
flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something
like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication,
but otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an
antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition,
etc., then you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that
matter, putting the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I
didn't
take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have
passed. Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be
justified by
not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart
safety.
So, why don't you just go take the physical?

I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with
a Special Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for
ANY class of flying due to a heart bypass operation. Following
retirement I kept up my medical (every 6 months) which required a
stress EKG, cardiologist evaluation, blood counts, etc, plus every
other test had to include a thallium injection with a scan. This
was in addition to a normal FAA flight physical.

After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the
thallium scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew
my medical. I thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my
cardiologist. But his and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So
I let it lapse since I could teach flight sims without a medical
certificate. Since then I have had a hip replacement and am
currently being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of the bone
marrow. I'm pointing out these things to show that in some cases
it is very difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.

I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80
flight simulator. I have never had any physical problems while
flying the simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel
quite safe to fly. I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA.
The only prescription medicine I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and
would be very interested in Sport Aircraft flying if I could do
that with just my driver's license.




Assuming you feel you are safe to fly (medical wise) and you have a
drivers licence you CAN FLY TOMORROW..... in an ercoupe (c or cd)
some Taylor craft, some cubs, etc, not to mention a Sonex or Zodiac
(other than HDS) or........

I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....

In spite of all the whining here, that is really the ONLY part of
Sport Pilot that really goes into effect tomorow as far as who can
fly....

The rest of us who are not yet pilots, and want to be Sport Pilots,
have to wait until Jan 15th.


Wrong...

He had a medical denied so he has to jump though the hoops at least
once more and then let the special issuance expire.



No, he said he let it lapse.

After reading his post again though, what he needs to do is pay the ten
dollars to the FAA to see what they really have on record for him. Did
he really just let it lapse, or did they request furthur info, he not
turn in the info, so they denied it??

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I read the following as the FAA had requested (which should be pronounced as
required) further information.

After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the
thallium scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew
my medical.

If he didn't give them the angiogram I'd bet the FAA would consider that a
denial, though I might be wrong. Wouldn't be the first or the last time.

GigG

As I was taught in SEAL training: Atention to detail!

"ET" wrote in message
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Bob Moore wrote in
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ET wrote

(after looking in a dictionary, yes your right bi-annual ALSO means
twice a year...)

Of course, you also meant to type "you're right", didn't you?
"Your" is the possesive form of you, "you're" is the contraction
for "you are".

Bob Moore


OK, now You Are just trying to get me riled ;-)....

and if you knew what I "meant" then I got my point across.

From now on, I'm emailing you all my posts for spelling and grammer
correction before posting :-)



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ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

I let it lapse. 5 years ago I took a medication that resulted in a
significant side effect. I looked into it and due to this side effect, I
would need to go through the waiver process. I don't fly that much, and it
wasn't worth the effort, so I just stopped flying.

Danny Deger




"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message
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Danny Deger opined

I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

That is a good question.

Did you let your medical lapse, or was yoour last application rejected?


-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

"Casey Wilson" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
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I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting a
third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc., then
you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter, putting
the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I didn't
take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified by
not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
So, why don't you just go take the physical?



I posted this in a different place. I'm not on this forum to discuss the
moral implication of flying based on my drivers license, I am here to
discuss what the regs say.

I have a condition that would require a waiver, I would certainly get the
waiver, but based on how much I fly it isn't worth the hassle to get the
waiver.

I will give you a hypothetical. A guy realizes he is dependant on alcohol
and own his own (may a few AA meetings) stops drinking. He chooses to not
renew his medical because of the alcohol dependant question. Let's say he
hasn't touched a drop in 10 years and even when drinking never drove drunk.
Why not fly on a drivers license.

Danny Deger

"ET" wrote in message
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(Danny Deger) wrote in
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I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

Danny Deger

As of Sept 1, you ARE a Sport Pilot...... and subject to the medical rules
therein.

and I think since you dropped in the bit about never being denied a
medical, .... you knew that......

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I was pretty sure I was OK medical wise, but didn't know if I needed the FAA
to issue me a separate sport pilot certificate.

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Why not just go to http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/sportpilot/index.cfm and
get your questions answered there?

Thanks I went there and found this:


An FAA certificated pilot may not use a current and valid U.S. Drivers
License to meet the medical eligibility requirements if any of the following
conditions apply:

a.. Must not have been denied their most recent application for a
medical certificate (if you have applied for medical certificate);
a.. Must not have had their most recently issued medical certificate
suspended or revoked (if you have been issued a medical certificate); or
a.. Must not have had their most recent authorization for a special
issuance of a medical certificate withdrawn (a special issuance is not a
denial).
a.. Must not know or have reason to know of any medical condition that
would make that person unable to operate a light-sport aircraft in a safe
manner.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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(Danny Deger) wrote in message
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I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

Sadly, if your medical is not current because it was denied
previously, the answer is no. Currently, the FAA is requiring those
with previously denied medicals to go through the entire class 3
medical appeal process before being sport pilots. If your medical is
not current simply because you did not want to hand your AME $70, then
you are ok as long as you don't have any known disqualifing condition.
-Robert

Not quite, here's the rule from the FAA site:


"Must not know or have reason to know of any medical condition that would
make that person unable to operate a light-sport aircraft in a safe manner.
"

It does NOT say known disqualifying condition, it say "unable to operate a
light-sport aircraft in a safe manner" Big difference.

Danny Deger

Danny Deger wrote:

Why not fly on a drivers license.

No reason that I can see.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

Danny Deger wrote:

An FAA certificated pilot may not use a current and valid U.S. Drivers
License to meet the medical eligibility requirements if any of the following
conditions apply:

a.. Must not have been denied their most recent application for a
medical certificate (if you have applied for medical certificate);
a.. Must not have had their most recently issued medical certificate
suspended or revoked (if you have been issued a medical certificate); or
a.. Must not have had their most recent authorization for a special
issuance of a medical certificate withdrawn (a special issuance is not a
denial).
a.. Must not know or have reason to know of any medical condition that
would make that person unable to operate a light-sport aircraft in a safe
manner.

From what you've posted here, none of those conditions apply. Happy flying!

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

Danny Deger wrote:

I have a condition that would require a waiver, I would certainly get the
waiver, but based on how much I fly it isn't worth the hassle to get the
waiver.

This just up on the EAA web site. The guy had a bypass several years ago. Never went
for another medical. Could get a waiver, but doesn't want the hassle of doing that.

He's now flying a J-3 out of his back yard on a Sport Pilot certificate.

http://www.sportpilot.org/news/040902_new_pilot.html

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.