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"Tex Houston" writes: "Peter Stickney" wrote in message ... F-102s showed up in Thailand and Viet Nam from before the beginning, as it were. In August, 1961, 4 F-102As from the 509th FIS, Clark AB, Pi deployed to Don Muang Airport, outside of Bankok for air defence duties, apparently as part of Project Bell Tone. My source shows this took place in April 1961. The early '60s period of our involmement in this area was, shall we say, a bit turbid, but here's what I have on Bell Tone, which isn't much. The initial BellTone deployment was 6 F-100s from the 510th TFS/405th FW from Clark AB, from April - August '61. They were relieved by the 4 F-102s from the 509th FIS/405th FW in August, closing shop sometime in early '62. Or so says my somewhat tattered photocopy of "Combat Wings of the Air Force" -- Pete Stickney A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster |
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Jim Thomas wrote:
No, I left Udorn in November 1967. You didn't by chance, know a Capt. Bob "Best of the Bad Guys" Marron (my Dad) while stationed at Udorn? -Mike Marron |
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Scott Peterson wrote in message ...
"Harley W. Daugehrty" wrote: If I remember correctly the F-102 was not exactly a "safe" aircraft, it was a rather of a challenge to fly and its mission profile in a nuclear exchange was not desirable at all. May be, but by the 1970's that was all in the past. Patrolling over the Gulf of Mexico for waves of bombers from Cuba was hardly the stuff of legend. Huh? You are aware that the Cold War was still alive and well through the *eighties*? And that despite the fact that the TXANG units were based in Texas, they could have been assigned air defense duties *anywhere*? The situation today is not all that different (except that today's threat is unlikely to shoot back), with ANG fighters flying AD missions from detached locations on a routine basis. You may not like GWB, but attacking the service of the F-102 pilots who did their duty *wherever* it occured is not gaining you very much. Brooks To everyone else who did correct me about the use of the F-102 in SEA, thank for the information. Scott Peterson Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it. |
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"Peter Stickney" wrote in message ... In article , "Tex Houston" writes: "Peter Stickney" wrote in message ... F-102s showed up in Thailand and Viet Nam from before the beginning, as it were. In August, 1961, 4 F-102As from the 509th FIS, Clark AB, Pi deployed to Don Muang Airport, outside of Bankok for air defence duties, apparently as part of Project Bell Tone. My source shows this took place in April 1961. The early '60s period of our involmement in this area was, shall we say, a bit turbid, but here's what I have on Bell Tone, which isn't much. The initial BellTone deployment was 6 F-100s from the 510th TFS/405th FW from Clark AB, from April - August '61. They were relieved by the 4 F-102s from the 509th FIS/405th FW in August, closing shop sometime in early '62. Or so says my somewhat tattered photocopy of "Combat Wings of the Air Force" -- Pete Stickney Probably never know which is correct but I'm using Appendix I "Growth of Major United States Air Force and Vietnamese Air Force Units to February 1965" from the book The United States Air Force iIn Southeast Asia...The Advisory Years To 1965" published by Office of Air Force History, United States Air Force, 1981. This particular movement is not in the Table of Units: Vietnam, 1954-1964 contained in Vic Flintham's "Air Wars and Aircraft...A detailed Record of Air Combat, 1945 to the Present" 1990. Tex Houston |
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Hi Peter
The first operational deployment to Viet by F-102's was actually on the 21st of March 1962. Deuces of the 509th FIS deployed to Tan Son Nhut. They returned 8 days later on the 29th. For the next year during Water Glass ops, they rotated every six weeks with U.S. Navy AD5Q's. Project Bell Tone 1 commenced in December 1960 with six F-100D's of the 510th TFS were deployed to Don Muang Airport. They were replaced by six F-102A's of the 509th FIS nine months later. Peter, let's keep this thread going if possible. It's extremely interesting. Are you interested in F-102 losses in country? I used to love watching the F-102's of the 59th FIS roaring around while I was at Goose Bay, Labrador (June 64-June 67). The odd time a Deuce of the 57th FIS would come down from Kef for a visit. Lots of good Bear hunting back in those days too. Cheers...Chris |
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"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ...
In message , Frank Vaughan writes Could you go into greater detail on this? The 2.75" FFAR was an unguided rocket munition. How would the F-102 IR ball come into play? At a guess... Find an IR source (running engine, camp fire, etc.) with the IR sensor, then fire unguided FFARs at IR source. I believe the gent may be mixing up his situations a bit. There was an experament conducted in the theater of operations where F-102's used their IR sensor, paired with their IR Falcons, to strike heat sources along the Ho Chi Minh Trail--more of a nuisance program than anything else. And I have read that they did use their 12 FFARs against ground targets--but I have not read that the two situations were related. One of the aviation history magazines did an article on the F-102 a few years back and covered this episode in reasonable detail. Brooks |
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av8r writes: Hi Peter The first operational deployment to Viet by F-102's was actually on the 21st of March 1962. Deuces of the 509th FIS deployed to Tan Son Nhut. They returned 8 days later on the 29th. For the next year during Water Glass ops, they rotated every six weeks with U.S. Navy AD5Q's. Thanks. Not to pick nits, but an AD-5Q and an EA-1F were teh same airplane, redesignated after the 1962 MacNa-fit which unified the US Service's designation systems. (Pity, 'casue there were some that really got around. The Lockheed L-100 was, simultaneously, the C-130, the R8V for the Coast Guard, the GV-1 for the Marines, and the GV-1U for the Navy. ) I've always wondered what the EA-1s would have done if something had actually been flying around at that time. Maybe they were going to microwave it to death. Or, perhaps, pull up alongside and have the EMs in back fire a bradside with the .38 revolvers in the survival gear. Project Bell Tone 1 commenced in December 1960 with six F-100D's of the 510th TFS were deployed to Don Muang Airport. They were replaced by six F-102A's of the 509th FIS nine months later. Again, thanks. I didn't realize that Bell Tone started that early. I do know that later on, part of the USAF Air Defence Detachment at Don Muang ended up as dedicated support for the King. Was that also the case during Bell Tone? Peter, let's keep this thread going if possible. It's extremely interesting. Are you interested in F-102 losses in country? By all means. It was an interesting period in our history. The Kennnedy Administration and Kruschev's government (Was it an Administration? Or, perhaps a Regime? I don't know) were constantly playing Challenge and Response, with a bit of James Bond and Matt Helm thrown in. Kruschev always seemed to underestimate Kennedy's, and the U.S.'s resolve. You'd think that in a logical world, the response to the Berlin Wall Crisis in '61, with the National Guard and Reserve callups, and the deployment of significant forces to Europe, would have been enough of a warning sign that sticking the MRBMs in Cuba was a Bad Idea. I used to love watching the F-102's of the 59th FIS roaring around while I was at Goose Bay, Labrador (June 64-June 67). The odd time a Deuce of the 57th FIS would come down from Kef for a visit. Lots of good Bear hunting back in those days too. We used to see them a lot when I was a kid, a bit before. New England was teh birthplace of SAGE, and in the early '60s, Lincoln Labs and Mitre were supervising SAGE tests against fast high-flyers. local ADC Deuces, F-101s, F-106s, and the occasional F-104A from Westover would practice intercepting single B-58s coming down the East Coast. Needless to say, we got boomed a lot. -- Pete Stickney A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster |
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I said it wasn't the stuff of legend. i.e. not particularly memorable. That's a long way from attacking them. That's not the way I read it. I saw mockery for the Cowboy pilots and sons of the elite, riding herd on Cuban invaders. I think that a) you are back-pedaling, b) you seize any opportunity to run down the incumbent prezdint, and c) you really don't care squat about F-102s or the men who flew them. Often in the cocktail parties I attend, I hear the Good People being shocked--shocked!--that Bush failed to attend the last year's meetings of the Guard. These are of course the same people who would rise up with dignity and leave any room which a military officer had the ill manners to enter. all the best -- Dan Ford email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9 see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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