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Old July 29th 07, 06:36 AM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
Just Plane Noise[_2_]
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Default Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)


EAA didn't save the star of the show for last, and neither will I. The F22
Raptor put on a show that was mightily impressive, even though without
some of the tricks in the Air Force's video. Following that, it joined
up with a P38 (the famed Glacier Girl--one of TWO at Oshkosh this year) and an F86.

Tomorrow perhaps the C17 and B2
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Old July 29th 07, 07:00 AM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
John Crawford
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Default Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)

If you have not got the message yet, Please take this yNec crap somewhere
else.

--
John Crawford


Everything I Like Is either immoral,
Illegal, or Fattening

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Old July 29th 07, 07:39 AM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
Just Plane Noise[_2_]
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Default Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:00:00 GMT, "John Crawford"
wrote:

If you have not got the message yet, Please take this yNec crap somewhere
else.


Judging from the posts, quite a few folks here are fine with yEnc (or
as dyslexics call it, yNec). Since it isn't blocked in the group's
title, and nobody has produced a charter that says yEnc'ed pix aren't
welcome, I'll continue taking up what little space I take up (look at
my file sizes, fercrissake) doing what I please so long as I'm
posting aviation pictures (or maybe pictures of nekkid wimmin
in/near/on airplanes) . The fact that only some people choose to be
able to view them certainly doesn't mean they don't belong in the
group.

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Old July 29th 07, 09:24 AM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
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Default Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 liftingoff 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)

Just Plane Noise wrote:
Since it isn't blocked in the group's
title, and nobody has produced a charter that says yEnc'ed pix aren't
welcome, I'll continue taking up what little space I take up (look at
my file sizes, fercrissake) doing what I please so long as I'm
posting aviation pictures (or maybe pictures of nekkid wimmin
in/near/on airplanes) . The fact that only some people choose to be
able to view them certainly doesn't mean they don't belong in the
group.

PLEASE READ THE GUIDE Point # 8 voted on by the group a couple of years
ago..




The objective of this Guide is provide posting and behavioral
guidelines within the
ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.AVIATION newsgroup (ABPA). It is NOT LAW.
Because this NG is self-moderated,users who ignore this Guide can
expect comments from other users. Serial defaulters may attract stronger
comments and/or be "kill filtered" or "Plonked" by regular users.
Therefore, if you wish your aviation pictures to be appreciated by
visitors, and regulars in this newsgroup, it is to your advantage to
follow these guidelines.


1.
The purpose of the ABPA is to share photos of aircraft,
information regarding aviation related events, stories about
aircraft that are featured in this Newsgroup and, above all, to
share our passion for aircraft with like-minded people
regardless of nationality, race or religion.

2.
The ABPA is entirely self moderated, and there is no formal
membership criteria, or governing board. Members are free
to come and go as they wish - to contribute, or not, is entirely
voluntary. No one should feel forced to contribute to the
group, and no one should feel intimidated by the group.

3.
Users of the ABPA are legally and personally responsible for any
images they post, particularly regarding copyright
issues and suitability. As many members of the group post images
that they have taken themselves, they do occasionally
get rather upset when others post their images either without
permission, or with copyright logos removed. All
photographers have their
own ideas regarding the usage of their images, and if in doubt
about the use of in image we request that you please ask
before either posting or reusing an original image.
4.
This Guide will be amended as the need arises. Suggestions for
any changes should be posted to the Newsgroup. Any
changes receiving general agreement following a discussion will
then be included.


Posting Guidelines

1.
Aviation Only.
The ABPA is dedicated to aviation orientated subjects. However,
there are no restrictions upon the specific types of
aircraft images that can be posted to the group. Given that non
aviation subjects frequently appear at air shows and in
museums, we ask that you use the following example of an
acceptable posting... That really cool looking restored tank
featured at the
annual air show is a credit to everyone involved. So in the
context of a series of 30 or more aviation related images
regarding an air show, with 2 or 3 featuring the really cool
tank are acceptable. On the other hand posting a series of 30
images of non aviation subjects at the air show with only 1 or 2
aircraft is not acceptable.

2.
NO Blatantly Obvious Pornography...
Posters are STRONGLY REQUESTED TO REFRAIN FROM POSTING OBVIOUSLY
pornographic images. A simple
nude standing in front of an airplane is one thing, seeing a
girl playing with her #$% is another. Images featuring nudes
in a non-pornographic way, and STILL IN THE CONTEXT OF AVIATION,
are acceptable and will be referred to as
Nude-Hangar Queens (or Kings).
Therefore, the group would appreciate the wording Nude-Hangar
Queen (or King) within the image's description. The
only exceptions to this would something like the nose art on say
a WWII bomber which can be a touch racy.

3.
No Multimedia or Multi-Part files....
As the name implies, this Newsgroup is for posting "Binaries
Pictures Aviation", that is, photos, and artworks relating
to aviation. Multimedia, video clips and sound files are not
welcome here, mainly due to bandwidth requirements. However
references to multimedia aviation related postings in the NG
alt.binaries.multimedia.aviation, and other newsgroups, or
on a website are acceptable in this Newsgroup. The reason
Multi-part attachments are discouraged is that some news
servers may lose a portion of the messages, and some news
readers are not able to assemble the parts properly.

4.
Image Size....
Many visitors and posters have slow dial-up internet connections
and/or are download limited, which makes it difficult to
view large attachments (400Kb plus). File sizes in the range 100
to 300Kb in JPEG format generally give adequate
resolution. If viewers would like a picture at higher resolution
they should check with the poster by email.

5.
Image Descriptions are strongly encouraged for ALL IMAGES.
Large numbers of files (plus 10) without a description of what
the image is, or index image displaying the images in the
series, is not considered an acceptable posting. If your
favorite aviation subject is civil airliners for example, few things
will match the frustration you feel when you unknowingly
download 30 images of some WWII warbirds. Granted the
logical thing to do is
grab a couple first, but if it was an event where both types of
aircraft are featured what then? For this reason the use of
one of the very popular freeware image index programs is
encouraged, failing that at the very least please include a
reasonable description of the image. This also has the added
advantage of making it easier to track comments made about
your images, and identifying a particular series of images to
the group.

6.
Large Floods of images...
Floods of images should be restricted to approx. 50 images per
day. We as a group would prefer to see them over several
days, rather than all at one time. Doing so, and keeping the
images to a size of about 300k, or less enables other posters
to post groups of images. Part of the reason for this is that
many local servers have a limited retention based upon size.
For example; if you post a flood of 300 or more images all in
the 500k range at 1:00am, and then at 10:00am someone
else does the same thing, and yet a third person posts at
10:00pm. On some of the smaller servers someone is either not
going to see their images posted until the next day, or possibly
have images bounced off of the NG. For people using
independent newsgroup servers this is not a problem, however for
many of the smaller servers it can be.

7.
NO Political, social, or religious discussions of ANY sort...
We all have our opinions regarding religion, social issues, and
politics. However given the strong emotions that these
types of discussion frequent cause IT IS STRONGLY preferred that
members DO NOT engage in these types of debates
with the newsgroup ABPA. Besides if you check the title of this
Newsgroup there is not a mention of politics, social
issues, or religion within it. Wishing someone a well meaning
nationalistic or religious message such as Happy 4th of
July, Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah etc. is however considered
acceptable...

8.
YENC - is NOT Acceptable.
Yenc encoding is not yet standardized, so there are different
versions in use and many news readers do not recognize any
of them. The same applies to any other non-standard posting
formats. To avoid upset, please use only the standard
UU-Encoding when posting your pictures. Besides, if you are
looking for discussion, or conversation regarding an image,
you are far more likely obtain it with a standard format
posting, rather than a non-standard one. To
be fair about it, if Yenc or some other method does become a
recognized standard then this will quickly be amended.


9.
No HTML within postings...
The Usenet service (newsgroups) has traditionally been
text-based, and most dedicated news readers still are. However,
since Outlook Express and the major browsers have been able to
access newsgroups, and their format of choice is HTML,
many users are posting to the newsgroups in HTML format.
Unfortunately, this means that all the cool looking fancy
backgrounds, special characters, bold or multi-colored fonts,
inserted lines or other effects appear as dozens of lines of
seemingly unintelligible characters interspaced with a few lines
of text to those who still use text-based readers. As a
courtesy to these people it is suggested that you refrain from
posting in HTML if possible.


10.
NO Inflammatory Remarks (Flaming)
Deliberately making derogatory or inflammatory remarks (often
referred to as "flaming") about people posting to the
ABPA, and/or any aspect of their postings, WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

This does NOT include comments such as:

(a) Constructive criticisms or suggestions as to how to improve
someone's images (however, saying a person's posting is
nothing but crap is not acceptable),

(b) Corrections to miss-identification of aircraft, pilots etc...

(c) Corrections to obviously innocent mistakes.

Harsh, or insulting criticism about simple mistakes, or a
less-than professional picture, when not deserved, can be
particularly disturbing to newbies who may never return to the
Group. Let us try to maintain the friendly atmosphere that
has been established in ABPA over many years.

11.
When responding to a LONG posting....
It is requested that you restrict the reposted text to only
those parts that are pertinent to your response. Reposting an
entire message when responding to a long posting not only
clutters the system up but is also a discourtesy to those trying
to read your contribution. We all make this mistake now and
again, however if, and when you do, please don't be offended if you
receive a GENTLE Chastisement from the other members of the group.


Conclusion...


Newbies to the group are encouraged to "lurk" for a few days
BEFORE posting images... Doing this will help you get a
feel for how the group operates, and what is considered
acceptable behavior. Above all else though if you have a question,
or are unsure about an issue PLEASE ASK!!! You will find that
most members of the group are reasonably friendly, and very eager to
help new posters.

None of these rules are chiseled in stone, and there will always
be exceptions. This guide intended to be just a guide and
nothing more.. The group at large asks that the spirit of this
text be adhered to. This Guide is applicable ONLY TO THE
NEWSGROUP alt.binaries.aviation.pictures, other newsgroups may
OR MAY NOT have similar guidelines.


Above all else we encourage everyone who enjoys the subject of
aviation to participate, and use the guide to everyone's
advantage.


Thank you,

The participants of the newsgroup
ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.AVIATION....


Questions or comments about this
guide should be submitted to the newsgroup
Alt.Binaries.Pictures.Aviation
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Old July 29th 07, 02:28 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
Just Plane Noise[_2_]
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Default Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:24:45 GMT, Maple1 wrote:



PLEASE READ THE GUIDE Point # 8 voted on by the group a couple of years
ago..




The objective of this Guide is provide posting and behavioral
guidelines within the
ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.AVIATION newsgroup (ABPA). It is NOT LAW.
Because this NG is self-moderated,users who ignore this Guide can
expect comments from other users. Serial defaulters may attract stronger
comments and/or be "kill filtered" or "Plonked" by regular users.
Therefore, if you wish your aviation pictures to be appreciated by
visitors, and regulars in this newsgroup, it is to your advantage to
follow these guidelines.


Strong comments don't bother me. Neither do "votes" by an amorphous
and constantly changing body that were taken "a couple of years ago",
which is a long time in modern technology. I actively encourage
people who don't like my chosen method of encoding to "kill filter" or
"plonk" my posts. The fact that anybody actually thinks that is a
sanction shows what a weird world the Internet is.

I looked back over the last 3 or 4 months of posts, and found that
most batch posts had files bigger and often 2-3 times as big as my
typical file, yet mine are almost all 1280 X 1024 images and the
quality is quite good. Among the batches I checked were photos marked
Fairford, Aalborg, Aviation Appreciation BBQ, Fantasy of Flight,
Jaguars Retire, Shawsbury, Pt. Magu (sic). I am not even remotely
critical of those posts--I'm just pointing out that yEnc doesn't make
files nearly as big as UU. RustY posted two samples to this group
back in April comparing the two encoding methods on the same file, and
he was surprised by just how big the size difference was.

However, I'd be lying if I said I used yEnc for size reasons. I use
it because it is convenient--when PowerPost went from UU to yEnc, I
didn't have to learn anything new, so I was (and am) fine with it..
Complainers seem to want me to do something inconvenient for me so as
not to impact their convenience. Not going to happen.

Now, as far as I can tell, the central argument below does not hold. I
have been posting yEnc files without even thinking about it in many
groups ever since PowerPost went yEnc. NOT ONCE have a read a
complaint from someone with a yEnc-enabled reader that they couldn't
decode my particular yEnc files. So whatever version PowerPost uses
apparently does not cause problems.

TO those who enjoy my files, there will be more to come until I'm done
for the year (I only do Oshkosh). To those who can't or don't or
won't, trust me, your life will be just as good or bad as it was with
or without my files, and no damage has been done to you exept in your
own mind (but who knows--given the increasingly litigious nature of
this society, I'm sure some actually think they've been hurt in some
fashion).




8.
YENC - is NOT Acceptable.
Yenc encoding is not yet standardized, so there are different
versions in use and many news readers do not recognize any
of them. The same applies to any other non-standard posting
formats. To avoid upset, please use only the standard
UU-Encoding when posting your pictures. Besides, if you are
looking for discussion, or conversation regarding an image,
you are far more likely obtain it with a standard format
posting, rather than a non-standard one. To
be fair about it, if Yenc or some other method does become a
recognized standard then this will quickly be amended.


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Old July 29th 07, 04:55 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
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Default Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)



Why such aggro from usually calm and reasoned individuals - read, ignore or
killfile, Lets just enjoy the most excellent photos posted here.


----------------

And for those care (probably none) here is my take on the discussion.

Given the retention levels of the group ( I can easily get posts made back
in March), given the relative inexpense of disk space (size available on
newsgroup servers), given the numbers of people using broadband access to
the internet and given that ALL newsreaders can view UU encoding why is Yenc
gods gift to posting when the odd 100KB saving is peanuts in the scheme of
things? Surely the posting of files over 1500KB or multipart files is more
of a concern - thankfully we only rarely get these and usually by accident.

While I can accept that those on dialup need small files to reduce download
time I think the saving made by Yenc is hardly worth the argument these
days. I think Yenc followers are more motivated by an almost phobic
fear/hatred of anything Microsoft which to a very very small degree I can
understand.

Personally I can view Yenc seamlessly in OE because I wanted that ability,
however having tried many alternative viewers I have yet to find one that
works as simply/easily as OE and have not found one that works as I want it
to. Indeed some I tried are so unnecessarily complex as to be virtually
unusable and one or two have almost screwed my system.

Given that Yenc is now getting a bit long in the tooth and has still not
achieved universal usage, I feel we should all be using UU as the system
viewable by the greatest majority whilst awaiting the new WMP format or its
successor which will in all probability make Yenc totally obsolete within a
very short time scale.

--
Andrew

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
(Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895.)






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Old July 29th 07, 09:33 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
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Default What are you really trying to accomplish

I for one really don't care if you post in Jpeg, YEnc, or finger-painting.

However, I occasionally post pics here to SHARE with others of the same
interest, and occaisionally to show off
my "hopefully" improving photography skills. With that said, I am
interested in making my posts available to
the widest possible audience.
yEnc might indeed be a better way to compress and post picture files.... so
what? Isn't the point of posting your photo's
to share it with a wide audience?
yEnc is, for the most part, more difficult to use. The masses tend to use
only a few popular programs for news groups (yes.. the most popular is OE).
It sure seems silly, and a grand waste of time, to insist on posting in a
format that the VAST majority of your audience cannot access.
It realy doesn't waste my time.... but it sure seems like a waste of
yours...

It's funny too, that most people who act like such big shots on an anonymous
forum would probably crap themselves trying to mount the courage to speak
this way to each other in person.

Like I said, yEnc, Jpeg, fingerpaint.... whatever makes you happy.... It
just seems so...... dumb.


Glen in Orlando


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Old July 29th 07, 10:09 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
Shiver
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Default What are you really trying to accomplish

Glen in Orlando wrote:

However, I occasionally post pics here to SHARE with others of the same
interest, and occaisionally to show off my "hopefully" improving
photography skills. With that said, I am interested in making
my posts available to the widest possible audience.


Glen your hitting the nail squarly on the head.

I have never been able to understand the attitude of some posters
who insist that they are doing it for themselves and they don't care
if you can't see their pictures.

I've always said that I can't miss what I can't see and I assume that
if a poster is using Yenc they (stupidly) really don't care that some
like me will never be able see and appreciate their efforts.

That is their loss not mine.

I can't miss what I can't see.
 




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