Pee bag gel

Staying properly hydrated, you may find 2 liters of either drinking water or urine storage insufficient for a typical day of flying. For me, 4l is a minimum.

A suggestion:
Drill a 1/2" hole in the belly aft of the stick. Bond a 1/2" OD 3/8" ID Polyethylene tube flush with the belly and long enough to pass through the seat pan aft of the stick. A short piece of surplus Mylar on the belly can seal the hole when not in use.
Use a 5/16" OD Poly tube for the part actually carrying liquid. It can easily be retracted for low drag (also clearance for takeoff and landing) and extended for use.
Use the female part of the quick-connect (McMaster, Wings and Wheels, etc.) on the PE end (may require a short piece of more pliable tube).
Use a more flexible tube with a barbed inline fitting on the other end to connect to the catheter.
Nothing wet in the glider. Empties beyond the laminar flow so very little if anything to wipe off the belly after flight. No bags in the cockpit or dropped outside.
Unless used during a low pass or above another glider (oh, you'll pay for that) the rain will evaporate. Not being concerned about filling the bags will let you stay better hydrated.
Jim

Originally Posted by Bob Youngblood

On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 5:51:14 PM UTC-4, Mike Schumann wrote:
On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 10:14:58 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well

https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcos...lti-cat-litter

What do you think?

The real deal is Sodium Polyacrylate powder. Search on the internet for best price. Add a bit to your pee bags and, voila, same as the expensive commercial pee bags at a much lower price. Turns urine into a soft gel. But I wouldn't throw it out the widow as it would hit like a mortar. Or just use vegetable bags from the grocery; pee, wind up but without knotting and chuck. The winding will come undone after clearing the glider but before hitting the ground and the fluid will depart the bag and evaporate. Tubing which vents the fluid out the glider will definitely corrode the rear cables and gear. Wear a condom catheter which will give you extra length and prevent spillage in the cockpit. They make some without adhesive which does the job adequately and they are cheap enough for one time use.

Are you guys joking or are you actually throwing plastic bags out the window? Not only is that illegal, but it is VERY uncool.

Mike, yes it actually happens, not as bad a the old B52 doing carpet bombing , but less damaging to the environment. Now you may choose to keep the pee bag in the cockpit if you wish, but I think the possibility of spilling the crusty ole **** bag all over the cockpit is a viable possibility. Maybe you like smelling the ammonia sub trace, but my suggestion is to pull the cord and seal the bag and drop whenever you can. The trailer park option is viable, nothing like dropping a bag of urine on the trailer park. In most instances they will never know what it is, they might just get a whiff and decide to throw it in the neighbors yard. No Mike, it is cool to know that you hit the double wide in the first row of trailers.

Haha .....Warning F bombs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb0bwbcfd28

While some here "joke" about "pee bombing" a trailer park.....FWIW....... Last I read in USA regs was, "don't drop stuff to hurt peeps or property......".....
while I agree that adding to garbage on the ground is a no-no.....dropping in a field or forest is "sorta OK".
Didn't hurt anyone/anything......
Yes, garbage is garbage, try to avoid......

I still use quart sized ziplock baggies....but I leave an inch or so loose to allow weight/liquid to drain during decent so a few pounds of mass won't hit the ground.
I have not flown enough the last few years to get an external catheter to hook up to ship dump system.....
I do NOT agree with pee bombing anything....although it is sorta funny.....to me......but, I am a dad.....we likely have an odd sense of humor.......just ask our family.......LOL.......

Wonder if anyone has tried to convert a CamelBak into a pee bag. just adapt the drinking tube and it seems like it would work pretty well

That's what my "ole flying buddy" does, it works well for him. In my old Libelle I had a good place for a legbag under the knee rest, but the Mini doesn't have a good place to stash it. It came with a relief tube plumbed to behind the wheel well. It seems to keep the urine clear for the structure pretty well.

On Thu, 02 May 2019 15:10:19 -0700, SoaringXCellence wrote:

That's what my "ole flying buddy" does, it works well for him. In my
old Libelle I had a good place for a legbag under the knee rest, but the
Mini doesn't have a good place to stash it. It came with a relief tube
plumbed to behind the wheel well. It seems to keep the urine clear for
the structure pretty well.

I can see that a Camelback or similar should be OK there during
deceleratkon because the rear of the pedal support structure would stop
it moving forward if it is positioned reasonable centrally, but how did
you stop it sliding backward? Strap it to the rear pedal slider support
pillar?

I ask because I like your idea but normally winch launch, so I'd prefer
it if the pee bag couldn't slide back under the seat pan during the
launch and climbout because Murphy *knows* that this would jamb the hook
release.


--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 5:05:47 PM UTC-7, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Thu, 02 May 2019 15:10:19 -0700, SoaringXCellence wrote:

That's what my "ole flying buddy" does, it works well for him. In my
old Libelle I had a good place for a legbag under the knee rest, but the
Mini doesn't have a good place to stash it. It came with a relief tube
plumbed to behind the wheel well. It seems to keep the urine clear for
the structure pretty well.

I can see that a Camelback or similar should be OK there during
deceleratkon because the rear of the pedal support structure would stop
it moving forward if it is positioned reasonable centrally, but how did
you stop it sliding backward? Strap it to the rear pedal slider support
pillar?

I ask because I like your idea but normally winch launch, so I'd prefer
it if the pee bag couldn't slide back under the seat pan during the
launch and climbout because Murphy *knows* that this would jamb the hook
release.


--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

In the Libelle I Duct taped the top of the bag to the Knee rest, below where my legs crossed over.

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well

https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcos...lti-cat-litter

What do you think?

That video is hilarious, I would like to make note that the gel bags do not harden, they stay like a soft gel. Probably try one in a thermal next time just to confirm the rotation at altitude.

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well

https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcos...lti-cat-litter

What do you think?

Back in the day toilet paper was used as an experiment to determine rotation of thermals. Probably only a few in this forum can recount this happening, but it resulted in the naming of a great glider club in Miami. I know that Burt knows the details and Scotty would also, so if you think the pee bags were exciting what would you do if you were flying along and were being passed by a 50 foot stream of toilet paper. Harry Senn, was one of the chief meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center in Miami and conducted research on thermal strength and size along with rotation by dispensing toilet paper from the cockpit of his 1-26. Check all this out, History -Miami Gliders. Those were the days, kind of like being part of the old guard. Bob

On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 8:55:14 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well

https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcos...lti-cat-litter

What do you think?

Back in the day toilet paper was used as an experiment to determine rotation of thermals. Probably only a few in this forum can recount this happening, but it resulted in the naming of a great glider club in Miami. I know that Burt knows the details and Scotty would also, so if you think the pee bags were exciting what would you do if you were flying along and were being passed by a 50 foot stream of toilet paper. Harry Senn, was one of the chief meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center in Miami and conducted research on thermal strength and size along with rotation by dispensing toilet paper from the cockpit of his 1-26. Check all this out, History -Miami Gliders. Those were the days, kind of like being part of the old guard. Bob

Good 'ol Thermal Research! I was lucky enough to get to sit around listening to Harry tell Thermal Research stories. One story was about taking off in a Sport Canopy equipped 1-26 with inflated balloons packed in all around him. Harry tossed them out in a thermal to see if balloons would work better than t-paper for mapping the thermal. He also told about flying a 1-26 into fair weather water spouts. He said folks were researching them with instrumented aircraft. I think he mentioned that one group doing this used a Cessna 310. Anyway, these folks were afraid of the water spouts and would not get closer than a hundred yards or so. Harry had observed them from fairly close and had estimated the updraft strength from observing debris, like bits of weeds, etc., going up in the spout. He figured that flying into a one of these fair weather spouts would be no different than a dust devil. So he just flew right through them. He said it was just like sticking a wing into a dust devil. Lifted the wing a bit, that was all.

On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 10:33:31 AM UTC-5, WB wrote:
On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 8:55:14 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well

https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcos...lti-cat-litter

What do you think?

Back in the day toilet paper was used as an experiment to determine rotation of thermals. Probably only a few in this forum can recount this happening, but it resulted in the naming of a great glider club in Miami. I know that Burt knows the details and Scotty would also, so if you think the pee bags were exciting what would you do if you were flying along and were being passed by a 50 foot stream of toilet paper. Harry Senn, was one of the chief meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center in Miami and conducted research on thermal strength and size along with rotation by dispensing toilet paper from the cockpit of his 1-26. Check all this out, History -Miami Gliders. Those were the days, kind of like being part of the old guard. Bob

Good 'ol Thermal Research! I was lucky enough to get to sit around listening to Harry tell Thermal Research stories. One story was about taking off in a Sport Canopy equipped 1-26 with inflated balloons packed in all around him. Harry tossed them out in a thermal to see if balloons would work better than t-paper for mapping the thermal. He also told about flying a 1-26 into fair weather water spouts. He said folks were researching them with instrumented aircraft. I think he mentioned that one group doing this used a Cessna 310. Anyway, these folks were afraid of the water spouts and would not get closer than a hundred yards or so. Harry had observed them from fairly close and had estimated the updraft strength from observing debris, like bits of weeds, etc., going up in the spout. He figured that flying into a one of these fair weather spouts would be no different than a dust devil. So he just flew his 1-26 right through them. He said it was just like sticking a wing into a dust devil. Lifted the wing a bit, that was all.