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"David Wallace" wrote in message ... George Z. Bush wrote: I remember reading stories about the air war in WWI, and I always wondered why Fokker included a third wing on that unique three-winger fighter the Germans used and why. I don't believe any other aircraft manufacturer built a line model with three wings, but I could be wrong about that. Probably to increase wing area and still maintain a small profile. They are tiny planes even when compared to the small size of the Sopwith Pup and Camel. Sopwith came out with a 3-decker prior to the Fokker, but neither of them remained in service very long. The DR1 was mainly active between Nov 1917 and May 1918 and of the 320 or so made a large number crashed due to structural failures. They sure look cute in the flesh though. Out of curiosity, did you ever fly the C-46 at all, and if so, how did it compare to the C-47? I've often wondered what the difference in run length for take offs and landings was. Finally.....somebody asked me something I can speak about from personal experience. Yes, I had about a thousand hours or so in C-46s, most in the left seat. In its day, the C-46 was the Mack truck of the airborne trash hauling business. From my failing memory, the max gross on the gooney bird was around 28,000 lbs, whereas the same limitation on the 46 was 35,000, although we pretty much routinely took off with 40,000 lbs. (or even a little more) during active operations. Needless to say, it required a bit more run length for T/Os and landings. In the air, unless the hydraulic control boosters were operable, it handled about like what I imagine picking up a horse one handed might be. However, it did have two of those P-47 sized R-2000 engines, which had a lot of muscle compared to the goonie's R-1280s. The gooney bird, OTOH, was God's gift to any pilot who needed to fly a transport. She handled well in the air, flew well on one engine (and could even climb 2-300 fpm on one engine if you weren't loaded, and was the most forgiving airplane ever designed by a human being. It was able to haul two CG-4(?) gliders in a twin tow pretty easily if you didn't mind staggering through the air at about 90-85 mph, and could also handle one of those big RAF Horsa gliders. I recall once (as a lark) taking off a PSP runway in Italy on a training flight with the wind directly on the nose at about 25 mph on cruise settings just to see if it would do it. Needless to say, since I'm telling you about it, it did. Pretty stupid, right? But then, I was young then and never bothered to think of what the options were going to be if it couldn't break ground. With clear headed thinking like that, I'd probably have become a statistic if I'd ended up in fighters. (^-^))) George Z. |
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... DunxC wrote: Yep, this group is turning alright. Years ago you could guarantee reasoned questions & answers on military aviation topics. Seems to be 90% off-topic (at a very rough non-scientific guess). Any chance of some on-topic chat? I remember reading stories about the air war in WWI, and I always wondered why Fokker included a third wing on that unique three-winger fighter the Germans used and why. I don't believe any other aircraft manufacturer built a line model with three wings, but I could be wrong about that. Sopwith also built a triplane. Comments? George Z. PS - Like you, Duncan, I'm tired of having to wade through so much seasonal political bull**** in RAM in order to read of things military aviation. In the interests of subject purity, I've given up even commenting on such impure intrusions on our "raison d'etre" and encourage others to follow my lead. Bullpoopie; you have been a continual and rampant poster of political, economic, etc., diatribes--stop acting as if you have somehow been above the fray. Crap, you are about as dishonest about this as Art has proven to be. Brooks Let's just ignore that stuff when it shows up and limit our responses to a simple two-letter "OT" if we feel obliged to say anything at all and then move on. Most of us have made up our minds already anyway, so look at all the bandwidth we'll be able to save. |
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... I remember reading stories about the air war in WWI, and I always wondered why Fokker included a third wing on that unique three-winger fighter the Germans used and why. I don't believe any other aircraft manufacturer built a line model with three wings, but I could be wrong about that. Comments? It wasn't unique, it wasn't even first. The British Sopwith Triplane preceded the Fokker Dr.1. The British also produced the unsuccessful Blackburn Triplane and the Germans the Pfalz Dr.1. |
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ArtKramr wrote: A while ago the posts here were 95% pro war, pro neocon. Today they at least 60% anti-war and anti Bush administration. Things are looking up.Kerry may take the day after all. You're right about it turning; it's turning from a "military aviation" website to a "political rant by Art Kramer" website, and half of those anti-Bush posts are initiated or continued by you! Perfect example is this post you started; what does it have to do with military aviation? PS. By your logic, you're not qualified to speak about Iraq, because you weren't there! JPH |
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ArtKramr wrote:
A while ago the posts here were 95% pro war, pro neocon. Today they at least 60% anti-war and anti Bush administration. Things are looking up.Kerry may take the day after all. Pro *which* war. Surely an effective military is there to help stop wars from happening in the first place mainly ( they're expensive ). Graham |
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Like any good democrat (oxymoron) Art just assumes he gets to vote as many
times as he hits the return key . . . Steve Swartz "Jack G" wrote in message news:Cf51d.1487$bj2.680@trnddc08... Are those percentages derived from actual numbers or just crude estimates? If you can show the numbers used in your calculations I'll believe you. Otherwise this gets the same regard as the other drivel you post here. Jack G. "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... A while ago the posts here were 95% pro war, pro neocon. Today they at least 60% anti-war and anti Bush administration. Things are looking up.Kerry may take the day after all. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Ahh, more wisdom from the
"If you didn't ride around in B-26s in the ETO you don't know jack about [Brain surgery, opinion polling, political science, economics, whatever]" gasbag. I can only imagine- it must physically hurt to be so stupid AND ignorant simultaneously. Steve Swartz "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: This NG is turning From: "Jack G" Date: 9/12/2004 4:48 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Cf51d.1487$bj2.680@trnddc08 Are those percentages derived from actual numbers or just crude estimates? If you can show the numbers used in your calculations I'll believe you. Otherwise this gets the same regard as the other drivel you post here. Jack G. Speaking of drivel would you tell us all about your combat experiences? Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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George Z. Bush wrote:
I remember reading stories about the air war in WWI, and I always wondered why Fokker included a third wing on that unique three-winger fighter the Germans used and why. I don't believe any other aircraft manufacturer built a line model with three wings, but I could be wrong about that. As usual you are wrong. The Brits had the Sopwith triplane. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"ArtKramr" wrote
George went to war. I went to war. You went to **** you lying cowardly pile of dung. You fought no one. You flew nothing.You are a totally worthless phony. But you went to war with a racist crew, so it doesn't count. |
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