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Old January 21st 11, 08:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
bildan
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http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/on...clear-air.html
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Old January 21st 11, 11:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John Cochrane[_2_]
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On Jan 21, 2:04*pm, bildan wrote:
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/on...lephoto-lens-s...


Yes! It's always struck me that a little signal processing on the
shimmer you see in telephoto lenses might work to show thermals.
A bit of signal processing would also show birds, gliders, cornstalks,
cu development, and other stuff that the naked eye tends to miss.
Darn day job...

John Cochrane
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Old January 22nd 11, 01:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Jan 21, 6:16*pm, John Cochrane
wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:04*pm, bildan wrote:

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/on...lephoto-lens-s...


Yes! It's always struck me that a little signal processing on the
shimmer you see in telephoto lenses might work to show thermals.
A bit of signal processing would also show birds, gliders, cornstalks,
cu development, and other stuff that the naked eye tends to miss.
Darn day job...

John Cochrane


The idea of a remote thermal finder is already being worked on by a
very distinguished scientist who lives and fly's @ the best soaring
center on the planet earth.
My money is on him.
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Old January 22nd 11, 06:54 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Eric Greenwell[_4_]
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On 1/21/2011 5:53 PM, mpcehand wrote:
On Jan 21, 6:16 pm, John
wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:04 pm, wrote:

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/on...lephoto-lens-s...


Yes! It's always struck me that a little signal processing on the
shimmer you see in telephoto lenses might work to show thermals.
A bit of signal processing would also show birds, gliders, cornstalks,
cu development, and other stuff that the naked eye tends to miss.
Darn day job...

John Cochrane


The idea of a remote thermal finder is already being worked on by a
very distinguished scientist who lives and fly's @ the best soaring
center on the planet earth.
My money is on him.


Pilots in 16 different clubs around the world are now trying to think
who in their club could be working on a remote thermal sensor.

I'm expecting more discussion about which soaring center you could mean,
than about the remote thermal finder.

Personally, my soaring would improve if I could reliably find the
thermal I just flew through.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
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Old January 22nd 11, 10:35 AM
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Pilots in 16 different clubs around the world are now trying to think
who in their club could be working on a remote thermal sensor.

I'm expecting more discussion about which soaring center you could mean,
than about the remote thermal finder.

Personally, my soaring would improve if I could reliably find the
thermal I just flew through.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)[/quote]

I'm with you Eric, it was there three seconds ago.

Walt Connelly
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Old January 22nd 11, 12:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Andy[_1_]
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Default Possible remote thermal finder?

On Jan 21, 11:54*pm, Eric Greenwell wrote:

Pilots in 16 different clubs around the world are now trying to think
who in their club could be working on a remote thermal sensor.



Not this one. Even if you didn't know the poster's name and where he
flies you could make a good guess at his site location from reviewing
the posting history.

Don't know how many other counties he has flown in though or how many
sites he has flown at.

Andy

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Old January 22nd 11, 11:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Personally, my soaring would improve if I could reliably find the
thermal I just flew through.
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA


Eric,
Thanks so much for the laugh out loud belly laugh you just caused with
that statement. That comment hits close to home as well. Still
chuckling as I write this.

Bruno - B4
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Old January 23rd 11, 02:34 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Tony[_5_]
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Default Possible remote thermal finder?

wait I thought thats why everyone is getting PowerFLARMs?
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Old January 23rd 11, 07:00 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Alan[_6_]
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In article mpcehand writes:
On Jan 21, 6:16=A0pm, John Cochrane
wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:04=A0pm, bildan wrote:

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/on...lephoto-lens-s...


Yes! It's always struck me that a little signal processing on the
shimmer you see in telephoto lenses might work to show thermals.
A bit of signal processing would also show birds, gliders, cornstalks,
cu development, and other stuff that the naked eye tends to miss.
Darn day job...

John Cochrane



Hmmm. I had a different idea of how a remote thermal finder might be made,
but no time to work on it, as it would take a bunch of effort to learn the
details of actual implementation to try it.


The idea of a remote thermal finder is already being worked on by a
very distinguished scientist who lives and fly's @ the best soaring
center on the planet earth.
My money is on him.



Why would he be the one to do it? If the soaring is so good there, he
probably has no trouble finding lift.

My money would be on someone who flys in a marginal area, who needs
a thermal finder.

Alan
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Old January 23rd 11, 04:51 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
bildan
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On Jan 23, 12:00*am, (Alan) wrote:
In article mpcehand writes:

On Jan 21, 6:16=A0pm, John Cochrane
wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:04=A0pm, bildan wrote:


http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/on...lephoto-lens-s....


Yes! It's always struck me that a little signal processing on the
shimmer you see in telephoto lenses might work to show thermals.
A bit of signal processing would also show birds, gliders, cornstalks,
cu development, and other stuff that the naked eye tends to miss.
Darn day job...


John Cochrane


* Hmmm. *I had a different idea of how a remote thermal finder might be made,
but no time to work on it, as it would take a bunch of effort to learn the
details of actual implementation to try it.

The idea of a remote thermal finder is already being worked on by a
very distinguished scientist who lives and fly's @ the best soaring
center on the planet earth.
My money is on him.


* Why would he be the one to do it? *If the soaring is so good there, he
probably has no trouble finding lift.

* My money would be on someone who flys in a marginal area, who needs
a thermal finder.

* * * * Alan


My guess (possibly wrong) is the biggest value of a remote thermal
detector, at least at first, will be sort of a short-range "thermal
centering aid". Knowing there is strong core 300 meters away is
"highly actionable" data. Cruising along while searching a 1 km wide
path will eliminate passing close by a strong thermal without knowing
about it. Knowing there is a thermal 10 km away is interesting but
it's a good bet it will dissipate before you can get there and chasing
after it may not be the best strategy.
 




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