We Are All Spaniards

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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In other words, we expect crime to cease, given enough punishment.

Nobody expects that in the general sense; only in the specific. If the
Bible is
to be believed, we've had crime with us since the second generation of
man. Even
back when God himself was levying the punishments, it didn't go away.

Punishment alone doesn't always work, true enough.

However, I'm probably the wrong person to talk to about rehabilitating
criminals, as I have no patience with dishonorable people.

I've always subscribed to the "life imprisonment without parole" school of
criminal justice for virtually every major crime.

Which of the unlimited crimes would you consider major?

Murder? Robbery? TAx "evasion"? Cutting the weeds on your "wetlands"?
Improper paperwork?



;-)

I hope you're not on jury duty when I roll into the court.... :~)

Let me think - that's a hard one - umm, umm, umm. I think every native
American was innocent until the white man came and began robbing them,


Nobody was innocent. The white man didn't do anything the indians
weren't already doing to each other for thousands of years. We were
just better at it.

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:03:19 GMT, "Roy Epperson"
wrote:

legitimizing might have been the wrong word. However, it demonstrated to
them that terrorist acts can affect the elections of a sovereign nation.


Too simple. The Spanish have resisted the Basques for decades.

Don

Rebels fight for territory. Terrorists kill indiscriminately.
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Rebels fight for territory. Terrorists kill indiscriminately.

(oops, sorry about the prevous incomplete post)

Terrorists don't kill indiscriminately. They employ a very effective tactic of
killing and maiming the enemy. WE say they kill innocents, because it sounds
good. But it is not true. Those who died (and those who survived) the attacks
were guilty, most of them, of not supporting Islamic ideals in the eyes of the
terrorists.

Now, being guilty of that is not (in my eyes) a bad thing. But when one says
"innocent" it is important to say "innocent of what?" and align the answer with
the goals and ideals of the terrorists. Otherwise we are just saying, in
different words, that it was our ox that was gored, and that doesn't really say
much.

The way to defeat terrorism is to have it not work any more. This means
accepting the death and destruction without changing our policy. It means not
being afraid. When you were younger and people taunted you didn't people tell
you "ignore them and they'll go away"? Or if you were on the other side, if
you found that your taunts were ineffective, did you eventually give up?

That's the only way to "win" the war against terrorism. It involves accepting
the losses they inflict, while not inflicting more losses on ourselves.

Jose

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On 15 Mar 2004 05:30:35 GMT, (Teacherjh)
wrote:


That's the only way to "win" the war against terrorism. It involves accepting
the losses they inflict, while not inflicting more losses on ourselves.

Jose

WWJD?

Don

That was my reaction also. I don't know if it makes random attacks on
Spanish targets more likely, but it certainly makes attacks on BRITISH
targets more likely. Probably Polish targets as well.

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 02:26:18 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

The socialists have just won the election & Zapatero has
pledged to withdraw troops from Iraq. Looks like it's
down to the US, Britain, Australia and Poland. Rather
like last time.

With this election the Spanish have actually legitimized the very attackers
they supposedly revile, and endangered us all in the process.

This election will encourage the terrorists like nothing else has.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 05:21:28 GMT, Don Tuite
wrote:

Too simple. The Spanish have resisted the Basques for decades.

He's not talking about Basques. He's talking about Islamic terrorists,
who have just succeeded (as they will interpret it) in forcing Spain
to pull out of Iraq.

Of course the socialists might well have won without the bombing, and
would certainly have pulled out their troops, but nobody is going to
think of that. What they are going to think is this:

1) Spain joined the invasion of Iraq.

2) Spain got bombed by what seem to have been Islamic terrorists.

3) Spain pulled out of Iraq.

4) Bombing works, Q.E.D.


all the best -- Dan Ford
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That's the only way to "win" the war against terrorism. It involves
accepting
the losses they inflict, while not inflicting more losses on ourselves.

We do as much to "terrorize" ourselves as they do. I agree with Jose. We
constantly dwell on it, we are riveted to Fox News which exploits it for
ratings, we hold candlelight vigils for "victim's families", and politicians
yap about "keeping us safe" like they can do anything about it.

I simply refuse to be terrorized. If we all did that, we could just declare
the war over.



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That was my reaction also. I don't know if it makes random attacks on
Spanish targets more likely, but it certainly makes attacks on BRITISH
targets more likely. Probably Polish targets as well.

More worrisome are the U.S. elections in the fall, IMHO.

The terrorists have seen what can be accomplished in Spain; they may assume
Kerry is the equivalent of the Socialists?

Nothing good can come of this.
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