IFR/Flight Following -- ATC Preferences?

As of right now, 6 posts, none of which respond to the OP.

To clarify: I am asking the ATC guys a question. I am not interested in
readings from the FAR/AIM, other pilots' personal practices, OT advice, or
reading posts from people who are flaming each other. Thanks in advance.

On 10/25/2005 10:39 AM, Mitty wrote the following:
Departing cross country out of the Minneapolis area in severe clear, I
will usually ask for either flight following or will file. I depart from
KMIC, which is under the 4000 foot shelf of the MSP bravo airspace.

For example, Friday I am going from KMIC to KGPZ, which is a couple
hundred miles to the north.

I am curious what TRACON and Center guys think:

Do you prefer to have me on a full IFR flight plan? (I always cancel
when I have the airport in sight if the destination is non-towered.)

Just advisories so you know who I am and what I am doing, but you don't
have to provide separation services?

Or do you not wish to hear at all? (Hopefully not, because I like being
in the system both for traffic info and in case of emergency.)

TIA

Not a specific reply, but just compare Bob Gardner's cogent, reasoned posts
with Lynne's tirade. There's the best and worst of usenet in one short
thread...

Mitty wrote:
As of right now, 6 posts, none of which respond to the OP.

I am curious what TRACON and Center guys think:

Why don't you call them up and ask them? The phone numbers are in the AFD... or
call your local friendly LOCKMART FSS and they can probably suggest some phone
numbers.

Prediction: you won't get anything more useful than what you've gotten here.

You really need to assess what services you need, not what services ATC wants to
provide... but I suppose you don't want to hear that.

Dave

Bob Gardner wrote:

Not the best attitude, in my opinion. As others have noted, ATC expansion
and paychecks depend on traffic counts, so by not using them you hit them in
the pocketbook. And you deprive yourself of a safety net that you pay for
every April.

JFK, Jr. was not required by regulation to use flight following...but the
outcome of his flight might have been drastically different had he done so.

How so? Could the controller fly his airplane remotely? :-)

Matt

"Mitty" wrote in message
...
As of right now, 6 posts, none of which respond to the OP.

To clarify: I am asking the ATC guys a question. I am not interested in
readings from the FAR/AIM, other pilots' personal practices, OT advice, or
reading posts from people who are flaming each other. Thanks in advance.

Oh well excuse me Mr Picky.

I've got a grand idea for you then pal. How about you pick up the freak'n
phone and just call them instead of posting a shout to the world in a plea
for advice.

"Lynne" wrote in message
oups.com...

Well, if there was an asshole like you controlling that evening, the
outcome would have been no different. You probably would have called
him "stupid"
and a "bad pilot" on the way down.

But, if the controller was a normal individual, not a know it all, he
perhaps could have made a suggestion. IE: Do you have an autopilot? Can
you turn it on? Etc.


You're an extraordinarily poor judge of character.

Yes. About 14 posts so far and not a single one to answer the question. The
problem with the worst is not that it is obnoxious, it is that it drives off the
best.

On 10/25/2005 3:27 PM, Joe Johnson wrote the following:
Not a specific reply, but just compare Bob Gardner's cogent, reasoned posts
with Lynne's tirade. There's the best and worst of usenet in one short
thread...

Perhaps calm him and ask if he activated the AP? It's amazing what
brain/sensory overload can do to rational thinking.
--

Thx, {|;-)

Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.

ps: Folks: How about putting your 'include message source at the bottom of
your reply so we don't have to scroll thru it to get a the reply. TIA.

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Bob Gardner wrote:

Not the best attitude, in my opinion. As others have noted, ATC expansion
and paychecks depend on traffic counts, so by not using them you hit them
in the pocketbook. And you deprive yourself of a safety net that you pay
for every April.

JFK, Jr. was not required by regulation to use flight following...but the
outcome of his flight might have been drastically different had he done
so.

How so? Could the controller fly his airplane remotely? :-)

Matt

No. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

Folks we need t/b civil to each other. I was embarrassed recently when I
showed a friend how useful the info is on R.A.I. "Opps, never mind, he has
a problem w/ him." Oh, ya, They get a little off track sometimes." Well,
let me show the weather resources we have."

--

Thx, {|;-)

Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.
"Mitty" wrote in message
...
As of right now, 6 posts, none of which respond to the OP.

To clarify: I am asking the ATC guys a question. I am not interested in
readings from the FAR/AIM, other pilots' personal practices, OT advice, or
reading posts from people who are flaming each other. Thanks in advance.

On 10/25/2005 10:39 AM, Mitty wrote the following:
Departing cross country out of the Minneapolis area in severe clear, I
will usually ask for either flight following or will file. I depart from
KMIC, which is under the 4000 foot shelf of the MSP bravo airspace.

For example, Friday I am going from KMIC to KGPZ, which is a couple
hundred miles to the north.

I am curious what TRACON and Center guys think:

Do you prefer to have me on a full IFR flight plan? (I always cancel
when I have the airport in sight if the destination is non-towered.)

Just advisories so you know who I am and what I am doing, but you don't
have to provide separation services?

Or do you not wish to hear at all? (Hopefully not, because I like being
in the system both for traffic info and in case of emergency.)

TIA

Amen.

ON topic: I wonder if my wanting to fly VFR w/o FF (i.e. no use of
services) is an attempt at getting use to user fee world (coming in my
opinion) If I don't use it, I MAY not have to pay for it.

{|;-)

Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.
CP-ASEL

"Mitty" wrote in message
...
Yes. About 14 posts so far and not a single one to answer the question.
The problem with the worst is not that it is obnoxious, it is that it
drives off the best.

On 10/25/2005 3:27 PM, Joe Johnson wrote the following:
Not a specific reply, but just compare Bob Gardner's cogent, reasoned
posts
with Lynne's tirade. There's the best and worst of usenet in one short
thread...