Engine Recomendations

Today was not a good day for the Baron. While replacing a cylinder I found
a crack (confirmed with Dye Pent) off the #5 cylinder leading up towards the
case halves.

The engine has 2750 Hr since new and about 1000 Hr since a TW Smith
overhaul. The case is repairable, but it seems like a waste to not do the
overhaul.

The question is has anyone recently purchased a Factory New engine? The
cost is about $4K more but the parts are not a mix of old parts.

The engine is an IO-470L.

Any thoughts and opinions will be a great help.

Paul

"f" wrote in message
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Today was not a good day for the Baron. While replacing a cylinder I
found a crack (confirmed with Dye Pent) off the #5 cylinder leading up
towards the case halves.

The engine has 2750 Hr since new and about 1000 Hr since a TW Smith
overhaul. The case is repairable, but it seems like a waste to not do
the overhaul.

The question is has anyone recently purchased a Factory New engine? The
cost is about $4K more but the parts are not a mix of old parts.

The engine is an IO-470L.

Any thoughts and opinions will be a great help.


Why buy a factory engine when so many of the after market plants are so much
better? The better shops do NOT use mixed parts.

http://www.superiorairparts.com/

http://www.westernskyways.com/

http://www.txskyways.com/

Good luck!!

I wouldn't touch Continental or Millenium cylinders with a 10 foot pole.



Matt Barrow wrote:

"f" wrote in message
...

Today was not a good day for the Baron. While replacing a cylinder I
found a crack (confirmed with Dye Pent) off the #5 cylinder leading up
towards the case halves.

The engine has 2750 Hr since new and about 1000 Hr since a TW Smith
overhaul. The case is repairable, but it seems like a waste to not do
the overhaul.

The question is has anyone recently purchased a Factory New engine? The
cost is about $4K more but the parts are not a mix of old parts.

The engine is an IO-470L.

Any thoughts and opinions will be a great help.



Why buy a factory engine when so many of the after market plants are so much
better? The better shops do NOT use mixed parts.

http://www.superiorairparts.com/

http://www.westernskyways.com/

http://www.txskyways.com/

Good luck!!

While replacing a cylinder I found
a crack (confirmed with Dye Pent) off the #5 cylinder leading up towards
the
case halves....
The case is repairable, but it seems like a waste to not do the
overhaul.


So, you're saying the case itself is cracked? If so, the question you must
have answered is how much you will get for your core. If "$0.00" is the
answer, then you will probably need to look deeper into your checking
account or consider the repair more closely.

Jim

"Newps" wrote:

I wouldn't touch Continental or Millenium cylinders with a 10 foot
pole.

I know Continentals are cheese; what's wrong with Milleniums?

The case is repairable and should be acceptable to Continental. The core
deposit is $10,000 on top of the $30K for the engine so you are correct if
it is not accepted their will be an additional charge, but I believe that
the case charge is $2,500 if the total case is unserviceable. In this case
I think they will accept the core. Any thought on new engines?

Paul



"Jim Burns" wrote in message
...
While replacing a cylinder I found
a crack (confirmed with Dye Pent) off the #5 cylinder leading up towards
the
case halves....
The case is repairable, but it seems like a waste to not do the
overhaul.


So, you're saying the case itself is cracked? If so, the question you
must
have answered is how much you will get for your core. If "$0.00" is the
answer, then you will probably need to look deeper into your checking
account or consider the repair more closely.

Jim

Dan Luke wrote:
"Newps" wrote:


I wouldn't touch Continental or Millenium cylinders with a 10 foot
pole.


I know Continentals are cheese; what's wrong with Milleniums?

They are good cylinders until you need warranty work. When I had my 182
I was considering putting the Pponk engine on it earlier this spring.
It is basically a carb'd 520 that puts out 275 HP. The guy that owns
Pponk is famous in Cessna circles for the quality of his work. He won't
sell you a Millenium cylinder. He used to push them but then the
company gave him and everybody else so much grief over customer service
issues that he stopped selling them. Millenium is like JPI, the
products can be good but the company treats its customers like dirt.

Looking down the road a ways, I would think that you would get more $$ out
of your Baron, should you decide to sell, if it has the factory new engine
rather than the rebuild or the repaired case, possibly even more than enough
to cover the difference in cost. You've got an expensive airplane and
nothing speaks louder to buyers of complex high performance airplanes than
logbooks showing that "no expense was spared". I don't think going "factory
new" would be a bad move, remember, you also get the full factory warrantee
if you do.
Jim

"f" wrote in message
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The case is repairable and should be acceptable to Continental. The core
deposit is $10,000 on top of the $30K for the engine so you are correct if
it is not accepted their will be an additional charge, but I believe that
the case charge is $2,500 if the total case is unserviceable. In this
case
I think they will accept the core. Any thought on new engines?

Paul



"Jim Burns" wrote in message
...
While replacing a cylinder I found
a crack (confirmed with Dye Pent) off the #5 cylinder leading up
towards
the
case halves....
The case is repairable, but it seems like a waste to not do the
overhaul.


So, you're saying the case itself is cracked? If so, the question you
must
have answered is how much you will get for your core. If "$0.00" is the
answer, then you will probably need to look deeper into your checking
account or consider the repair more closely.

Jim

My experience and what others tell me is factory new engines last
longer until overhaul. After all, they are NEW. It makes a difference.
Ideally it shouldn't, but it does.

Doug wrote:
My experience and what others tell me is factory new engines last
longer until overhaul. After all, they are NEW. It makes a difference.
Ideally it shouldn't, but it does.



Perhaps with Lycoming. I wouldn't want a factory new Continental
because that means Continental cylinders.