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  #41  
Old October 30th 05, 07:26 PM
Gord Beaman
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Brian Whatcott wrote:

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:22:04 GMT, Gord Beaman
wrote:
/// I don't think
that controllers are making enough money to compensate them
properly for their responsibility.

///

Let's see, what does a center controller make currently?
A hundred grand? More?
About as much as a (US) pharmaceutical dispenser
I guess? A third as much as a physician?
A fifth as much as an anesthesiologist?

Brian Whatcott Altusa OK


Hell no, it'd shake you Brian...here's a site for California.

http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/occguide/AIRCONTR.HTM

....and a snippet from that site...

WAGES, HOURS, AND FRINGE BENEFITS

Entry-level Air Traffic Controllers start at $24,734 per year at
the General Schedule-7 (GS-7). Journey-level wages for
controllers depend on the size and complexity of the facility
where they work. For example, for smaller towns in California
like Chico and Modesto, the rate at the journey-level is $33,320,
(GS-10); while, at the Sacramento airport, the journey-level pay
is $39,406 (GS-11). In busier airports, the pay can go as high
as $86,275 (GS-14). Top pay for journey-level Flight Service
Station Controllers is $61,401 (GS-12). Many controllers receive
additional pay to compensate for higher living costs in expensive
areas.

This is disgusting, when one thinks of their
responsibility...God! I make more than some of these guys and I'm
retired military...
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-Gord.
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  #42  
Old October 30th 05, 08:29 PM
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
...

Hell no, it'd shake you Brian...here's a site for California.

http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/occguide/AIRCONTR.HTM

...and a snippet from that site...

WAGES, HOURS, AND FRINGE BENEFITS

Entry-level Air Traffic Controllers start at $24,734 per year at
the General Schedule-7 (GS-7). Journey-level wages for
controllers depend on the size and complexity of the facility
where they work. For example, for smaller towns in California
like Chico and Modesto, the rate at the journey-level is $33,320,
(GS-10); while, at the Sacramento airport, the journey-level pay
is $39,406 (GS-11). In busier airports, the pay can go as high
as $86,275 (GS-14). Top pay for journey-level Flight Service
Station Controllers is $61,401 (GS-12). Many controllers receive
additional pay to compensate for higher living costs in expensive
areas.

This is disgusting, when one thinks of their
responsibility...God! I make more than some of these guys and I'm
retired military...


That information looks to be about ten years old.


  #43  
Old October 30th 05, 10:46 PM
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Peter Clark" wrote in message
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Are they combined on the same scope, or does the controller have to
physically roll the chair up and down the stations to see all the
screens covering their sectors? If memory serves, in this incident
the screens were separate, the controller was looking at another
screen dealing with something there, and by the time he got back to
this station the aircraft were already well within the lateral
distance which would have caused the alerting system to activate, if
it wasn't INOP.


Could go either way. If the primary system was operational they'd just be
combined at one scope and you used a larger range to see all of the
airspace. If the backup system was in use you couldn't see all of the
airspace at low altitudes because it did not have multiple radar site
capability at that time. You'd have to either switch to different radar
sites at one scope or configure a nearby scope with a different site.


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Old October 30th 05, 11:34 PM
Stefan
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

What inoperable safety mechamisms led to this collision?


If you had read and understood the report as you claim, you wouldn't ask
this.

Stefan
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Old October 30th 05, 11:37 PM
Stefan
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Could go either way. If the primary system was operational they'd just be
combined at one scope and you used a larger range to see all of the

....

If you had read and understood the report as you claim, you wouldn't
write this. It's described in detail that the controller was working two
stations, and there is even a picture of the situation in the report.

Stefan
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Old October 30th 05, 11:53 PM
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Stefan" wrote in message
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If you had read and understood the report as you claim, you wouldn't ask
this.


If you were aware of any inoperable safety mechanisms that led to this
collision you would have answered it.


  #47  
Old October 30th 05, 11:53 PM
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Stefan" wrote in message
...
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Could go either way. If the primary system was operational they'd just
be combined at one scope and you used a larger range to see all of the

...

If you had read and understood the report as you claim, you wouldn't write
this. It's described in detail that the controller was working two
stations, and there is even a picture of the situation in the report.


What I wrote above has nothing to do with the collision.


  #48  
Old October 30th 05, 11:57 PM
Peter Clark
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:37:49 +0100, Stefan
wrote:

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Could go either way. If the primary system was operational they'd just be
combined at one scope and you used a larger range to see all of the

...

If you had read and understood the report as you claim, you wouldn't
write this. It's described in detail that the controller was working two
stations, and there is even a picture of the situation in the report.


In fairness, he was answering my question regarding whether the
combined US sectors would come up on one scope, not whether the
controller there had the capabilities to do so.
  #49  
Old October 31st 05, 02:05 AM
Brian Whatcott
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:29:41 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
.. .

Hell no, it'd shake you Brian...here's a site for California.

http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/occguide/AIRCONTR.HTM

...and a snippet from that site...

WAGES, HOURS, AND FRINGE BENEFITS

Entry-level Air Traffic Controllers start at $24,734 per year at
the General Schedule-7 (GS-7). Journey-level wages for
controllers depend on the size and complexity of the facility
where they work. For example, for smaller towns in California
like Chico and Modesto, the rate at the journey-level is $33,320,
(GS-10); while, at the Sacramento airport, the journey-level pay
is $39,406 (GS-11). In busier airports, the pay can go as high
as $86,275 (GS-14). Top pay for journey-level Flight Service
Station Controllers is $61,401 (GS-12). Many controllers receive
additional pay to compensate for higher living costs in expensive
areas.

This is disgusting, when one thinks of their
responsibility...God! I make more than some of these guys and I'm
retired military...


That information looks to be about ten years old.


......And excludes the copious overtime and other payments.
It is true that there are other grades, better paid grades than
journeyman, for sure!

Brian Whatcott
  #50  
Old October 31st 05, 02:07 AM
Brian Whatcott
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:53:06 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Stefan" wrote in message
...

If you had read and understood the report as you claim, you wouldn't ask
this.


If you were aware of any inoperable safety mechanisms that led to this
collision you would have answered it.



"****ing in the wind" is what this kind of debate is sometimes called.
By the uncouth.
Like me.

Brian Whatcott
 




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