What's the going price for a used SN10b?

What's the going price for a used SN10b in good condition? Am redoing my panel and may end up selling...

Thanks,
Allan

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 10:06:04 AM UTC-6, wrote:
What's the going price for a used SN10b in good condition? Am redoing my panel and may end up selling...

Thanks,
Allan

Two years ago I let a 10 (Not the B) go for 800 with all the accessories. The last two our club got were donated for free. These are getting pretty old and the user interface is dated. IIRC a 10B was offered free on RAS to a needy junior pilot.
Not trying to be discouraging but please don't get your hopes up.

Please send me a note at nimbus3mail at that large search engine dot com. I've got some interest in it myself & we've also got a deserving junior that could put it to good use.

Thanks,
Craig
7Q

I'd say $1000 for a B with USB brick and remote............may have need for another one in a month or two. Give me a shout at johnsinclair210(at)yahoo.com

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 7:28:50 PM UTC-6, K m wrote:
...These are getting pretty old and the user interface is dated.

Tell that to the guy who just won the 15-meter nationals with one.
But I guess you know better than he...

I have one for sale, including the vario, and a back seat repeater... All updates, manuals and cables. Make offer via email please

I get a chuckle when I see "extra" add on features offered for one of the most popular "entertainment centers" for $650 to $1650 a pop. Ninety percent of the offered up- grades are in the lowly obsolete SN-10.
JJ

On Saturday, July 2, 2016 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-6, Dave Nadler wrote:

Tell that to the guy who just won the 15-meter nationals with one.
But I guess you know better than he..

Oh Boy, Here we go again...,My computer can beat up your computer . Here is the question, If the guy had been using a Clearnav for decades and won would THAT make IT the better computer? At the WGC ALL of the top finishers in ALL of the classes used the LxNav 9000. Does that make the 9000 better?
Congrats to the winner of the recent Nats of course but if he had a modern panel would his score be even better (And with dramatically less workload)? Would you trust the antique screen on the 10B to keep you out of Class B or Restricted? (No thanks)
I think alot boils down to personal preference. My first ship had an old M Nav and I loved the thing (And yes, At contests friends would look at the knobs and switches on it and laugh) but I had no illusions that it compared with anything modern. My next ship had the exalted SN10 and I REALLY liked that as well until the Volkslogger (And lets face it, The Volkslogger was obsolete when it was new) plug went out and I got a case of sticker shock when I found out how much just a plug, or a new wiring harness to hook up to the PF would cost. From there I took a crowbar to the 10 and went with LxNav and have never looked back. Each system was better than the last and while the 10B was ground breaking when it came out that was 30 years ago. Can I insult any other soaring appliances while I am here.
Oh yea, I was at the Nats and came in just about last (But it was my first Nats). (Laughs)I blame it on the fact that I wasn't using an SN10B

And my 2c worth.

I have used only a small selection of these toys, but I did once
specialise in user interface design.

Recently took the plunge and installed a LX9050 to replace the VERY
obsolete Lx20 that was doing fine with XCSoar on the phone.

Two observations. Workload is proportional to how well you know the kit.
For the first while the much better user interface on the new Lx was a
lot more work. Partly because there is so much you can set and play
with. And you need to set it up to be simple to use , because
distraction can kill you. Think texting while driving. So - it actually
takes more work getting it set up right. Conversely, for the casual user
it is much more intuitive.

So - intro to the Sn10b was in a Duodiscus in Omarama, and boy was I
glad to have someone in the back who knew how to use it for the first
while. With the 9050 it is pretty intuitive, and you can work out what
stuff means. With the SN10 (or LX20) - if it wasn't on the current
screen, then the chances of getting it right versus thrashing around in
various highly detailed pages, trying to read a dense screen while
trying to avoid terrain, and not go over that ridge that you were warned
would lead to a certain land out... Half the time, what I was looking
for was one of the numbers that was on the current page - I just did not
recognise it.

I am sure familiarity would make it a great instrument. In many ways it
consolidates information you want together. But times have moved on -
and user interfaces and functionality have become a lot better. So you
have an easier time working out how to do something on the fly with a
modern instrument - and the screen is much better - and faster.

A pilot who knows his instrument and knows how to get the most out of it
without having to think too hard about how the thing works is going to
do better than the person who is having to think too hard about the
instrument, rather than concentrating on the task on hand. If that
instrument is an SN10B - that is great. It's longevity is proof of the
quality of the original design.

Strangely enough, the most useful thing for me is still sitting with a
map and getting to know the area, and features and landable areas. That
way you still have situational awareness. The guys who have no idea
where they are when the entertainment centre shuts down, do worry me.

Interestingly - in Omarama the locals had made a paper booklet, indexed
to the SN10 - and you could "go to" the escape route, and nearest
landable spot with a single button selection - and it would tell you the
page to look on the booklet so you could see photos, and all the rich
visual stuff you cant see on a tiny LCD.



On 2016-07-03 21:13, K m wrote:
On Saturday, July 2, 2016 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-6, Dave Nadler wrote:

Tell that to the guy who just won the 15-meter nationals with one.
But I guess you know better than he..

Oh Boy, Here we go again...,My computer can beat up your computer . Here is the question, If the guy had been using a Clearnav for decades and won would THAT make IT the better computer? At the WGC ALL of the top finishers in ALL of the classes used the LxNav 9000. Does that make the 9000 better?
Congrats to the winner of the recent Nats of course but if he had a modern panel would his score be even better (And with dramatically less workload)? Would you trust the antique screen on the 10B to keep you out of Class B or Restricted? (No thanks)
I think alot boils down to personal preference. My first ship had an old M Nav and I loved the thing (And yes, At contests friends would look at the knobs and switches on it and laugh) but I had no illusions that it compared with anything modern. My next ship had the exalted SN10 and I REALLY liked that as well until the Volkslogger (And lets face it, The Volkslogger was obsolete when it was new) plug went out and I got a case of sticker shock when I found out how much just a plug, or a new wiring harness to hook up to the PF would cost. From there I took a crowbar to the 10 and went with LxNav and have never looked back. Each system was better than the last and while the 10B was ground breaking when it came out that was 30 years ago. Can I insult any other soaring appliances while I am here.
Oh yea, I was at the Nats and came in just about last (But it was my first Nats). (Laughs)I blame it on the fact that I wasn't using an SN10B



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Bruce Greeff
T59D #1771

The posters referring to large display instruments as “entertainment centers� is the glider pilot equivalent of penis envy. While the SN-10b was state of the art for many years, technology has progressed. Large display glass is the present and future plain and simple. To call modern computers “entertainment centers� is frankly passive aggressive, you are insulting those that choose new technology over older technology. The new instruments are highly programmable to give too much information or just the required for each pilots’ desires on multiple pages including a photo of the turn point or airport if so desired. Also, the large format can be configured to be readable without reading glasses, which substantially reduces head down time. These computers, will show if you can clear high ground before your target airport, clearly show Flarm traffic, airspace, gives both voice and alarm alerts…. I highly recommend reading a manual to see what they can do.

If you want to stay with the SN-10b fine, I will not insult or belittle you for your choice, I expect the same courtesy.

By way of real world example let me illustrate a difference in the SN-10b to the newer larger format systems. I seem to recall a pilot in the 2014 nationals in Minden suffering a 1,000 point penalty for flying through restricted airspace. I am sure this pilot was well aware of how to operate his SN-10b. The new large format displays will warn you in both voice, alarm and display going red when you get within a pilot defined distance from such airspace. You would have to be brain dead not to understand and react to the larger format warning of airspace, or traffic.
The progression of change remains ever present, clocks that bind will be left to rust.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 6:59:28 AM UTC-7, wrote:
I get a chuckle when I see "extra" add on features offered for one of the most popular "entertainment centers" for $650 to $1650 a pop. Ninety percent of the offered up- grades are in the lowly obsolete SN-10.
JJ