Why not use the F-22 to replace the F/A-18 and F-14?

"R. David Steele" wrote:

Also why not market the C-17 to the air freight community?

This has been mooted, either as is or in a civil variant, at various
times. For some of the issues involved you might wish to read "C-17
-- How to Get More for Less":

http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA357811

It's about 2 meg.

Guy

They are planning to bring the FB-22 (bomber
version that carries 30 2000 lbs bombs) online in the future.

Actually, those are 250 lb bombs - 30 mk 84s would be quite a load for a
fighter! I doubt we will ever see the FB-22 in service though.

Brian

In article ,
Guy Alcala writes:
"R. David Steele" wrote:

Also why not market the C-17 to the air freight community?

This has been mooted, either as is or in a civil variant, at various
times. For some of the issues involved you might wish to read "C-17
-- How to Get More for Less":

http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA357811

It's about 2 meg.

And not a new idea, either. I was leafing through the FAA Type
Dertificate Data Sheets one day, and discovered that the Lockheed
C-141 had been certificated for civilian use.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

"R. David Steele" wrote in message
...
They are planning to bring the FB-22 (bomber
version that carries 30 2000 lbs bombs) online in the future.

And to think that the B2 only carries 16 2000 lb bombs.

"R. David Steele" wrote in message
...
They are planning to bring the FB-22 (bomber
version that carries 30 2000 lbs bombs) online in the future.

Umm, not 30 x 2000 lb bombs. 30 x SDBs (small diameter bombs), that weigh
about 265 lbs each.

Also why not market the C-17 to the air freight community?

Because the C-17 couldn't compete in the mainstream commercial air freight
business. Costs way too much when compared to 747s and such.

"Tony" wrote in message
news:QoXZb.12374$lQ2.9128@okepread02...

"R. David Steele" wrote in message
...
They are planning to bring the FB-22 (bomber
version that carries 30 2000 lbs bombs) online in the future.

And to think that the B2 only carries 16 2000 lb bombs.

Yes, but when the SDB comes on board, it will carry about 150.

Peter Stickney wrote:

In article ,
Guy Alcala writes:
"R. David Steele" wrote:

Also why not market the C-17 to the air freight community?

This has been mooted, either as is or in a civil variant, at various
times. For some of the issues involved you might wish to read "C-17
-- How to Get More for Less":

http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA357811

It's about 2 meg.

And not a new idea, either. I was leafing through the FAA Type
Dertificate Data Sheets one day, and discovered that the Lockheed
C-141 had been certificated for civilian use.

One wonders where the UN refugee agencies, NGOs and for that matter many
countries' militaries would be without Il-76s and An-124s to rent. Air
cargo has been growing far faster than pax recently, and a certain % of
that is oversize/outsize.

Guy

"R. David Steele" wrote in message
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Should we be thinking of using the FB-22 Raptor as a replacement
for the F/A-18 (and the F-14)? I know that the current F-22 was
not designed to be heavy enough for naval use, but it could be
re-engineered. They are planning to bring the FB-22 (bomber
version that carries 30 2000 lbs bombs) online in the future.
Why not upgrade it then?

There are stresses from carrier ops that just aren't allowed for
in the design of Air Force fighters, mainly having to do with the
landing and arrestment. Unless the plane is designed with these
forces from the start, you basically have to redesign the plane's
frame (which means moving dang near *everything*) to get it
ready.

This way there would be cross over between the FB-22 and the F-35
(engines especially).

Also why not market the C-17 to the air freight community?

The C-17 was marketed to commercial users with the government
offering incentives. The plane has design elements for its
military missions that make it less economical to operate in
the civilian world that civil designs.

The Tomcat is gone quicker than you can think....
There is a big push by CNO to axe the F-14 sooner than planned, like
now is too late...watch and see.

The F/A-18 (I assume you mean the B/C/D models) already has a
replacement, E/F. I don't think you are following current Naval
Aviation very well.

There is no need to replace the E/F Hornet, it will be pulling
fighter/CAP/FAC/Bomber/tanker etc. duties for the next 10 years.
Totally capable of performing all the above, with no current or future
enemy threat that can match it.



On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:20:49 GMT, R. David Steele
wrote:

Should we be thinking of using the FB-22 Raptor as a replacement
for the F/A-18 (and the F-14)? I know that the current F-22 was
not designed to be heavy enough for naval use, but it could be
re-engineered. They are planning to bring the FB-22 (bomber
version that carries 30 2000 lbs bombs) online in the future.
Why not upgrade it then?

This way there would be cross over between the FB-22 and the F-35
(engines especially).

Also why not market the C-17 to the air freight community?

Sorry forgot to add the Jamming/SEAD/Harm shooter duties on the EF-18G
(growler) as well....


On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:57:40 GMT, fudog50 wrote:


The Tomcat is gone quicker than you can think....
There is a big push by CNO to axe the F-14 sooner than planned, like
now is too late...watch and see.

The F/A-18 (I assume you mean the B/C/D models) already has a
replacement, E/F. I don't think you are following current Naval
Aviation very well.

There is no need to replace the E/F Hornet, it will be pulling
fighter/CAP/FAC/Bomber/tanker etc. duties for the next 10 years.
Totally capable of performing all the above, with no current or future
enemy threat that can match it.



On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:20:49 GMT, R. David Steele
wrote:

Should we be thinking of using the FB-22 Raptor as a replacement
for the F/A-18 (and the F-14)? I know that the current F-22 was
not designed to be heavy enough for naval use, but it could be
re-engineered. They are planning to bring the FB-22 (bomber
version that carries 30 2000 lbs bombs) online in the future.
Why not upgrade it then?

This way there would be cross over between the FB-22 and the F-35
(engines especially).

Also why not market the C-17 to the air freight community?