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Old April 18th 04, 10:57 PM
JohnF73157
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that there is a law that prohibits
civilian aircraft, and that includes police aircraft, from having any type of
armaments attached.


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Old April 19th 04, 01:43 AM
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Mutts wrote:


Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of
problems for law enforcement?

Is it possible to put a round right through the engine block
of a suspect fleeing and stop them from killing innocents?
Seems like that kind of accuracy is possible now isnt it?

When those guys were robbing the bank in LA, seems like
it would have been an easy shot to make from a helicopter
even without a cannon.

ISTM that a much better target for the cannon might be the
centre of the vehicle's roof...why waste a perfectly good engine
block?...
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Old April 19th 04, 01:49 AM
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On 18 Apr 2004 10:06:25 -0700, (miso) wrote:

It never fails. Those who spit on the cops are members of the NRA or GOA.


It never fails. Those who support police murders aren't.

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Old April 19th 04, 02:07 AM
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
news | Mutts wrote:
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| Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of
| problems for law enforcement?
|
| Is it possible to put a round right through the engine block
| of a suspect fleeing and stop them from killing innocents?
| Seems like that kind of accuracy is possible now isnt it?
|
| When those guys were robbing the bank in LA, seems like
| it would have been an easy shot to make from a helicopter
| even without a cannon.
|
| ISTM that a much better target for the cannon might be the
| centre of the vehicle's roof...why waste a perfectly good engine
| block?...
| --
|
| -Gord.



Certainly would have saved a lot of time and expense on the OJ trial.



"If you can't find the hands, you must acquit"




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Old April 19th 04, 02:48 AM
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote in
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Jim Yanik wrote:
"Ragnar" wrote in
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Excellent question! I've always thought they should put at least an
M-60 on the police choppers. Would put a stop to the car chases
real quick.

Or they could use a Barrett light 50 M82A1 .50BMG rifle.
If they can't get a car with 10 rounds....


The US Coast Guard--which occupies a grey zone between law enforcement
and military--has begun arming some helicopters to stop fleeing
high-speed boats. Their approach has been to use a machinegun for
warning shots, followed by a hand-held .50-cal rifle to shoot to
disable the engines.

However, this does not translate well to regular police use. The USCG
is dealing with isolated targets on the high seas, with no chance of
stray shots hitting civilians. The rules for stopping smugglers at
sea are also less restrictive than the use of force rules for domestic
police forces. This is one area where the Coasties benefit from their
semi-military status.

For comparison, civilian law enforcement offficers are usually
*forbidden* to fire warning shots because of the risk to bystanders.
They are also forbidden to use lethal force unless necessary to
protect themselves or a bystander. "He was getting away" is generally
not sufficient justification for shooting at someone, unless you have
reason to believe he's going to threaten another person once he's out
of sight.

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Shooting into an auto's engine would not be use of deadly force against the
occupants. I read an article about the CG,that they use a BOLT-action
..50cal against the hi-speed boats,so,they only get ONE shot at the
boat,unless they reload,which takes a relatively large amount of time.
I suspect they are accurate with that first single shot.

Besides,a hi-speed vehicle chase certainly IS a threat to other citizens
lives;frequently people die or get severely injured because of collisions
with fleeing vehicles.And that doens't consider property damage,either.

Also,the shot fired from a helicopter would be headed sharply DOWNwards,and
would most likely penetrate pavement if it missed the vehicle.I doubt it
would ricochet.

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Old April 19th 04, 02:52 AM
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"Paul F Austin" wrote in
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
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"Paul F Austin" wrote in
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"Ragnar" wrote

"Mutts" wrote ...

Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of
problems for law enforcement?

Excellent question! I've always thought they should put at least
an M-60
on
the police choppers. Would put a stop to the car chases real
quick.

That sounds about right. If the police are going to use armed
helos, they need sufficient firepower. I would want at_least_an M60
turret welded on the bottom of each one. Maybe an M1 turret would
be better. Or two. Can't have enough firepower.



Are you suggesting an AC-130 gunship??? 8-)


No, I'm suggesting that armed police helos should be "armed" to the
point that they can't get wheels up. I don't trust police with
automatic weapons much less anything heavier.




Why,has there been any significant number of wrongful shootings involving
automatic weapons fire from police?
(and Waco was not police,it was ATF-troop)
ISTR that many non-US countries police are armed with automatic
weapons,too.Maybe they have more problems in that area?

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Old April 19th 04, 03:30 AM
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"Jim Yanik" wrote .
"Paul F Austin" wrote


"Jim Yanik" wrote in message


Are you suggesting an AC-130 gunship??? 8-)


No, I'm suggesting that armed police helos should be "armed" to the
point that they can't get wheels up. I don't trust police with
automatic weapons much less anything heavier.



Why,has there been any significant number of wrongful shootings involving
automatic weapons fire from police?
(and Waco was not police,it was ATF-troop)
ISTR that many non-US countries police are armed with automatic
weapons,too.Maybe they have more problems in that area?


Because here's what automatic weapons fire is used for in ground combat;
automatic weapons are used to suppress enemy fire while other troops slink
around back and grease the bad guys. That tactic is singularly inappropriate
in policing because of the inevitable presence of bystanders.

In the hands of police, automatic weapons become 18-shooter Glocks on
steroids: indiscriminant fire. I have little respect for the marksmanship of
most police and from close contact, no better opinion of the tactical
squads.

As it happens, my club has a large IPSC contingent and also a large Class
III group. Twice a year, they hold a joint shoot. Each time, the pistoleros
outshoot the subgunners. There is a proper role for riflemen but automatic
weapons fire is indiscriminant and inappropriate in policing.


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Old April 19th 04, 11:21 AM
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"Mutts" wrote in message
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Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of
problems for law enforcement?


Until it missed and hit something innocent.

Is it possible to put a round right through the engine block
of a suspect fleeing and stop them from killing innocents?


Ask the Israelis, they have lots of experience taking out cars in an urban
environment. Then again, they aren't worried about collateral
damage..........

Seems like that kind of accuracy is possible now isnt it?


Perhaps a simplified low cost homing weapon. One round, one hit. Make it low
yield, just enough to do the job but not enough to take out too much if it
misses.

When those guys were robbing the bank in LA, seems like
it would have been an easy shot to make from a helicopter
even without a cannon.


Helo Sniper would be sufficient. Unfortunately it's not cost effective to
have every police helo carrying a trained sniper.

Whats up? public outcry or something?


Most likely public outcry would stop it, then the cost.

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