A Kid Flying a Duckhawk?

On Monday, November 4, 2013 5:08:22 AM UTC-5, Tom Claffey wrote:
The Duckhawk is radical in some ways, not always a bad thing, not always

good.

As someone from outside the USA I could not care less whether it is from

there, Europe or Africa. If it is a better aircraft then I am interested,

IF certified.

I hope to see one in Poland this year, pity we couldn't see it in Uvalde.

An 18M version will sell more overseas than 15M. From what I have seen

sales do not seem to be big on the builders agenda?

Tom



PS: unlike some views, mine is that it came second in it's first comp, a

Canadian in an ASG29 won! (Regardless of the hype)







At 14:11 02 November 2013, Ron Gleason wrote:

On Friday, 1 November 2013 09:18:32 UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:

I would absulutely LOVE to have one. There's just that thing about the





price. Sure, it's somewhat less expensive than the European

competition,





but it's still quite a lot. Not saying it's not worth it.







Kudos to the designers and builders!



Bit off topic here but is it less expensive then European gliders?

Anyone

know current cost of Ventus 2 or ASG 29 (in 15 meter config) or other 15

meter gliders? We all understand the fluctuations in the euro but am

curious.



Ron Gleason



Bear in mind that Chip Garner flew that glider having flown it only once prior... I think that's rather impressive he did as well as he did in it with so little experience.

Regards,
Daniel Sazhin

Excellent report Daniel, thanks for sharing

Just curious; are there no experimental aircraft allowed in Europe or is it
just your preference for certificated aircraft?


"Tom Claffey" wrote in message
...
The Duckhawk is radical in some ways, not always a bad thing, not always
good.
As someone from outside the USA I could not care less whether it is from
there, Europe or Africa. If it is a better aircraft then I am interested,
IF certified.
I hope to see one in Poland this year, pity we couldn't see it in Uvalde.
An 18M version will sell more overseas than 15M. From what I have seen
sales do not seem to be big on the builders agenda?
Tom

PS: unlike some views, mine is that it came second in it's first comp, a
Canadian in an ASG29 won! (Regardless of the hype)



At 14:11 02 November 2013, Ron Gleason wrote:
On Friday, 1 November 2013 09:18:32 UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:
I would absulutely LOVE to have one. There's just that thing about the


price. Sure, it's somewhat less expensive than the European
competition,


but it's still quite a lot. Not saying it's not worth it.



Kudos to the designers and builders!

Bit off topic here but is it less expensive then European gliders?
Anyone
know current cost of Ventus 2 or ASG 29 (in 15 meter config) or other 15
meter gliders? We all understand the fluctuations in the euro but am
curious.

Ron Gleason

On Monday, November 4, 2013 9:44:01 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, November 4, 2013 5:08:22 AM UTC-5, Tom Claffey wrote: The Duckhawk is radical in some ways, not always a bad thing, not always good.. As someone from outside the USA I could not care less whether it is from there, Europe or Africa. If it is a better aircraft then I am interested, IF certified. I hope to see one in Poland this year, pity we couldn't see it in Uvalde. An 18M version will sell more overseas than 15M. From what I have seen sales do not seem to be big on the builders agenda? Tom PS: unlike some views, mine is that it came second in it's first comp, a Canadian in an ASG29 won! (Regardless of the hype) At 14:11 02 November 2013, Ron Gleason wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 09:18:32 UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote: I would absulutely LOVE to have one. There's just that thing about the price. Sure, it's somewhat less expensive than the European competition, but it's still quite a lot. Not saying it's not worth it. Kudos to the designers and builders! Bit off topic here but is it less expensive then European gliders? Anyone know current cost of Ventus 2 or ASG 29 (in 15 meter config) or other 15 meter gliders? We all understand the fluctuations in the euro but am curious. Ron Gleason Bear in mind that Chip Garner flew that glider having flown it only once prior... I think that's rather impressive he did as well as he did in it with so little experience. Regards, Daniel Sazhin

Chip's result was due to his outstanding skills as a pilot, especially in tricky changable weather like we had in that contest. He likely would have had the same result flying his Discus 2. That contest had nothing to do with sailplane performance and everything to do with pilot skills. Chip is also used to adjusting to borrowed gliders.
Just another point of view
UH

On Monday, November 4, 2013 10:32:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, November 4, 2013 9:44:01 AM UTC-5, wrote:

On Monday, November 4, 2013 5:08:22 AM UTC-5, Tom Claffey wrote: The Duckhawk is radical in some ways, not always a bad thing, not always good. As someone from outside the USA I could not care less whether it is from there, Europe or Africa. If it is a better aircraft then I am interested, IF certified. I hope to see one in Poland this year, pity we couldn't see it in Uvalde. An 18M version will sell more overseas than 15M. From what I have seen sales do not seem to be big on the builders agenda? Tom PS: unlike some views, mine is that it came second in it's first comp, a Canadian in an ASG29 won! (Regardless of the hype) At 14:11 02 November 2013, Ron Gleason wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 09:18:32 UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote: I would absulutely LOVE to have one. There's just that thing about the price. Sure, it's somewhat less expensive than the European competition, but it's still quite a lot. Not saying it's not worth it. Kudos to the designers and builders! Bit off topic here but is it less expensive then European gliders? Anyone know current cost of Ventus 2 or ASG 29 (in 15 meter config) or other 15 meter gliders? We all understand the fluctuations in the euro but am curious. Ron Gleason Bear in mind that Chip Garner flew that glider having flown it only once prior... I think that's rather impressive he did as well as he did in it with so little experience. Regards, Daniel Sazhin



Chip's result was due to his outstanding skills as a pilot, especially in tricky changable weather like we had in that contest. He likely would have had the same result flying his Discus 2. That contest had nothing to do with sailplane performance and everything to do with pilot skills. Chip is also used to adjusting to borrowed gliders.

Just another point of view

UH

Of course, but at the very least it shows it does not take away from Chip's piloting and he's able to use his outstanding skills in short order in this sailplane. A glider that has many quirks and is difficult to handle would be much more difficult to utilize its performance so quickly...

Daniel

Greg Cole, 2012 Barnaby lecture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln9fuR8uwIc

Discussion of DH starts about 17 minutes in.

Evan Ludeman / T8

At 15:06 04 November 2013, Dan Marotta wrote:
Just curious; are there no experimental aircraft allowed in Europe or is
it

just your preference for certificated aircraft?


No, we do not have a preference. What we do have is an organisation called
EASA. The people at EASA are probably the most ignorant people on the
planet, they come from all the member states of the EU and mostly from the
airline/manufacturer industries and their aim seems to be to regulate
anyone, except airliners, out of the sky.

The only other thing against the Duckhawk is the name. Perhaps Hobby,
Peregrine or Osprey might have had a better ring to it.

If it swims like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck chances
are it is a duck.

Experimental aircraft exist in Europe, but they have to be at least 51% homebuilt.

At Mountain Gliding School Żar here in Poland, where the low-energy procedure is a splashdown on the lake, flying something with a "Duck" in it's name would make one feel more comfortable I think... Great to hear the Duckhawk will be in Leszno next year!

On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 11:04:40 AM UTC+1, Don Johnstone wrote:


The only other thing against the Duckhawk is the name. Perhaps Hobby,

Peregrine or Osprey might have had a better ring to it.



If it swims like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck chances

are it is a duck.

On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 5:04:40 AM UTC-5, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 15:06 04 November 2013, Dan Marotta wrote: Just curious; are there no experimental aircraft allowed in Europe or is it just your preference for certificated aircraft? No, we do not have a preference. What we do have is an organisation called EASA. The people at EASA are probably the most ignorant people on the planet, they come from all the member states of the EU and mostly from the airline/manufacturer industries and their aim seems to be to regulate anyone, except airliners, out of the sky. The only other thing against the Duckhawk is the name. Perhaps Hobby, Peregrine or Osprey might have had a better ring to it. If it swims like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck chances are it is a duck.

Duckhawk is another name for the Perigrine Falcon.
And it don't fly like no duck.
UH