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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:47:01 -0500, BuZzY
wrote: I imagine the airstrip there, and indeed in any Navy base, is built to some incredibly strong specifications--maybe deeper substrate, etc.--the geology of Pensacola may be a little challenging when planning such a I wouldn't expect the airstrip itself to be damaged at all, but I would not be at all surprised if it was completely obstructed by debris. And all the other things you need to make a working airfield - radar, lights, communications, crash trucks, service vehicles, electric power, running water....are quite subject to damage by such a hurricane. -- Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself" "Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today, Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/ |
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Some bad news. I looked at pics of the outside display aircraft and
they appear to most probably were just have been tied down. There was an old hurricane trick that used to be used for smaller operational aircraft to be tied down by putting the aircraft on its belly with gear up and then tying it down. However, with these artifacts, it would not have been possible. Tying down aircraft for a hurricane is not recommended but it is all they could have done, although if the aircraft had been mounted on concrete pads and then the wheels raised off the ground on metal supports they would have been much better protected. Although the musuem was first class inside it left something to be desired outside apparently...and considering this is a hurricane prone area, perhaps it should have been considered. Here in Victoria we had an F-101 that when we got it, we prepared pads and metal supports to secure it and get the tires off the ground. Not a particularly difficult or expensive task. Al Thomas A. Hoffer wrote: I copied this article segment from a local Pensacola newspaper. Looks the exhibits suffered no damage with minor damage to the building itself. While it mentions some damage to static aircraft displays outside, it sounds like nothing was totally destroyed. I'm curious if the "significant" damage to some planes is fixable. " The National Museum of Naval Aviation was almost unscathed by the storm. Nichols said there were a few leaks in the roof, but the exhibits inside were unharmed. Some of the historic aircraft parked on the tarmac behind the museum were damaged, however. The canopy of an A-6 was sheared off. A couple of wings lay on the pavement and some planes, evidently blown off their moorings, had collided with other aircraft, causing significant damage." |
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:12:17 -0500, old hoodoo
wrote: Some bad news. I looked at pics of the outside display aircraft and they appear to most probably were just have been tied down. They appear to were just have been tied down? Huh? Random verbs? -- Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself" "Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today, Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/ |
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In article , old hoodoo
wrote: Here in Victoria we had an F-101 that when we got it, we prepared pads and metal supports to secure it and get the tires off the ground. Not a particularly difficult or expensive task. Victoria where? And where in that Victoria is it located? -john- -- ================================================== ================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ================== |
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old hoodoo wrote:
Being a relatively new building, and I think built with private funds to the newer building codes, the National Museum of Naval Aviation has initially been reported to have weathered the storm intact which is what was expected (with crossed fingers I presume) from such a structure. Only a one liner, included in an article re the blue angels. "Storm damage forces Navy’s Blue Angels to skip Oceana show By JACK DORSEY, The Virginian-Pilot © September 18, 2004 .....The Naval Aviation Museum, where the Navy houses its most valuable aviation artifacts, held up, officials said...." So, apparently that magnificent collection was spared, and the decision to build a museum there was not an "historical disaster" as they may have built it right. Its my understanding that the museum itself is privately owned and funded, although it works in close association with the Navy. Still would like some confirmation though. AL Check out alt.binaries.pictures.aviation for some "official" USN photos of NAS Pensacola damage. No pics or info on the museum, which posters there are also quite concerned about. -- Lynn in StLou REMOVETHIS anti-spam measure to reply |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:36:39 GMT, lat7575
wrote: Check out alt.binaries.pictures.aviation for some "official" USN photos of NAS Pensacola damage. No It's even easier to get them on the web: http://www.news.navy.mil/view_galler...category_id=39 -- Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself" "Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today, Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/ |
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so would I, was planning on stopping there in bout a 10 days or so on the way home with a DC-3. If you are able to make the visit, a pirep would be great appreciated! Later: I see by the Aero-News Propwash that a C-47 at the museum lost a wing in the blow (or possibly to a falling tree). So perhaps you ought to keep that DC-3 safe from temptation on the part of the curators! all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com |
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:25:42 -0400, Andrew C. Toppan
wrote: On the other hand, CNN today showed video of the President leaving an aircraft (apparently a VC-20) and said he had landed at NAS Pensacola. The field is open for emergencies. A visit from the president would certainly qualify. I was capering about on Saturday: I had reserved the Cub for Sunday afternoon, then came the TFRs on the president's visit to ME and NH, then came the hurricane damage and an urgent need for the president to inspect the damage (it's an ill wind that blows nobody good) and the Cub could fly again! But on Sunday afternoon the wind here was gusting 25 knots, so I didn't get to fly after all. (Now Bush is back in NH today! Ah well. There is no rest for the wear in the swing states.) all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com |
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Some bad news. I looked at pics of the outside display aircraft and they appear to most probably were just have been tied down. They appear to were just have been tied down? Try "They appear to have merely been tied down"--that is, no heroic measures such as being mounted on plyons. The poster could have been tired, or he could have been educated in an American public school in the past thirty years. (Actually, I seem to recall a Hornet? or two being pylon-mounted in a near-vertical climb at the museum.) As it does for Al (Old Hoodoo), this news breaks my heart, because after six years the Finnish Brewster Buffalo safely arrived at Pensacola barely four weeks ago. I hope it survived the blow and the rain all right, and I hope that the damage to the museum won't delay my chances of viewing the airplane into a seventh year! all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com |
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old hoodoo wrote:
Some bad news. I looked at pics of the outside display aircraft and they appear to most probably were just have been tied down. There was an old hurricane trick that used to be used for smaller operational aircraft to be tied down by putting the aircraft on its belly with gear up and then tying it down. Hindsight is 20-20, but I wonder it it wouldn't help to attach stuff to the wings to make them non-aerodynamic for a strong storm? A series of strips that would cause them to stall. |
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