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Old January 1st 18, 11:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I remember when they called the first diamond distance length task at the open national in minden. It was on the longest daylight day of the year, I think it was 1977 or 78. All I remember is the triangle sent them way out to Austin NV. My bro was one of the few 15 meter ships flying that contest and made it home (zuni). I was glad since I was the crew and them zuni wings were heavy lol.
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Old January 2nd 18, 01:04 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I remember Sebastian Kawa expressing himself in one of the interviews against extremely long tasks. A competition is more about a comparison between pilots, and not necessarily about endurance or chasing for records or 1000 km diplomas. It has to do with safety, as too long tasks over several days inevitably bring exhaustion with them, and possibly accidents.

On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 2:50:49 PM UTC-6, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
My comment was tongue in cheek. I was thinking of New Castle and what a great call by the CD that was!!! I have attended a Nephi event and I launch was very efficient, I thought after a few days all 65 glider were launched in an hour. On a 17,500 foot day, tasks of 3 or 4 hours do not do Nephi justice.

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Old January 2nd 18, 05:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I see all the sailplanes doing the long flights in Namibia are either self-launching or fitted with sustainers. I imagine the logistics of getting trailers and crews to Namibia, as well as flying over pretty isolated areas, must make flying there in a conventional sailplane pretty daunting.
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Old January 2nd 18, 01:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 12:20:13 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I see all the sailplanes doing the long flights in Namibia are either self-launching or fitted with sustainers. I imagine the logistics of getting trailers and crews to Namibia, as well as flying over pretty isolated areas, must make flying there in a conventional sailplane pretty daunting.


They don't have a towplane.
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Old January 2nd 18, 02:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Kawa is not necessarily competent in all facets of gliding!
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Old January 2nd 18, 02:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 9:24:44 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Kawa is not necessarily competent in all facets of gliding!


LOL
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Old January 2nd 18, 06:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Most of the Namibian sites have self launchers that are shipped down in containers. No towplanes there. Most South African sites used by visitors have tow planes - but many gliders in SA also come down by container without trailers. Usually these are turbo sustainer types - though there is an occasional self launcher. Local SA gliders are usually pure gliders except for a few Jonkers gliders that have jet sustainers.

Here is a link to a photo essay I wrote about the containers. It was submitted to Free Flight but was never published. ROY

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
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Old January 2nd 18, 07:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 8:24:44 AM UTC-6, wrote:
Kawa is not necessarily competent in all facets of gliding!


No, of course not! I can't recall his achievements in glider aerobatics or his altitude records. However, as far as soaring contests are concerned, he has not left the position #1 or 2 for 12 (twelve) successive years in the IGC world ranking list, which probably reflects, to some extent, IMHO, how experienced a competition pilot he is. Please see the table at the bottom of this site:

http://rankingdata.fai.org/SGP_displ...hp?pilotid=491
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Old January 3rd 18, 11:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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But I can recall his achievements in long-distance flights in Namibia since 2007 in the OLC. No single one!
I have seen only 3 flights over 1.000 km from Sebastian in this time and these flights were flown in Argentina, in wave condition, in a double-seater with an experienced pilot in the rear seat!

How can he say: "...long tasks over several days inevitably bring exhaustion with them and possibly accidents..."?

Every year hundreds of pilots make thousands of long distance flights in Namibia, flying day by day and the accident rate is close to zero (no single one this year!).

I´m flying there since 1999 and the few accidents I have seen have been caused by unadapted speed in high altitudes (one), by a down-burst during landing in Bitterwasser after a thunderstorm and nearly all he others be physical unadapted people, collapsing in the hot African summer short on the first day after arrival, with jet-lag in their bones. No one by "exhaustion after several long tasks"!

I made 131 thermal-flights over 1.000km and more only since 2007 and I´m also flying several competitions every year. Believe me, the accident rate in competition is much, much higher.

No doubt, Sebastian Kawa is one of the worlds best pilots. But his favorite discipline is competition and not every good "sprinter" in our sport is also a "marathon runner"!

Three years ago, we have had the same discussion in "Soaring cafe" (http://soaringcafe.com/2014/12/wishi...thy-safe-2015/) and it is interesting, that mainly people, which are not really competent in long-distance flying are ascribing a lack of safety to our kind of gliding! Why?
 




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