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devil wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:41:52 +0000, Steven P. McNicoll wrote: "devil" wrote in message news Anyway, it's just that the current mess is so much worse, and that there is no clear way out. Only in your uninformed, illogical opinion. Whatever. When all else fails, shoot at the messenger, right? I wouldn't worry about it. Steven never lets facts get the chance to confuse his opinions. John (crossposts cut to a more reasonable level!) |
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nobody wrote: "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: But most of the civilized world rejected the claims of WMD in Iraq? I don't recall those claims. Please cite them. Amazing how americans have been so misinformed. It is sad. The whole world knows that Hussein, when asked by the UN in september 2002, had agreed to give Blix full and unfethered access again. Then, the USA blocked the UN from starting inspections until a new resolution was signed. The USA intended to have a resolution which granted it the right to invade, but had to settle for 1441 which required another resolution should the UN decide that Iraq was not complying. Problem is that Iraq was complying and the world could not justify declaring Iraq in breach, while the USA was in a hurry to invade. On the other side, everyone outside the Bliar and Bush regimes knew that the "dossiers" presented by these two cohorts were quite questionable. (remember that one important document was aactually just an assignement done by some student at university years before and was no longer current). In fact, had you bothered to read the Bliar documents (which had been made available on the british government's website, you would have seen that all of the evidence actually dated before the UN started the inspections process after the Kuwait invasion. Then came confirmation from both Blix and Baradei that the so called USA evidenne was fabricated in some cases or pointed to site which had not shown any signs of WMDs. This is why the UN in early 2003 refused to give the USA a resolution which would have granted the USA the right to invade. When 3 of 5 permanent security council member threathen to use their veto, it means that the USA and Britain are really attempting to do something which is wrong. Yes, the citizens of the USA remained blind to the reality and supported their regime. At least the citizens of the UK saw through the lies of Bliar and protested vehemently against. (so did spanich, polish and australian citizens who could not understand why their governement would have caved in to USA demands/blackmail/bribes. If you think the UN is a government, you are unfortunately mistaken. The UN only has as much power as its members are willing to grant (or not to, as the case may be). Not a single government leader in any country is going to take the political risk (let alone the risk to their lives) and give the UN powers of government. In some countries, any politician who suggests such a thing is voted out. In others, the masses take to the streets and toss the *******s out. In still other countries, the military gets involved and the tanks roll to the Presidential Palace and the Generals are now in charge (like it or not). Bottom line: don't expect the UN to become a government anytime soon. If you think otherwise, then I have beachfront property in Arizona to sell you. Posted via www.My-Newsgroups.com - web to news gateway for usenet access! |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... That must surely be a comfort to the families of the 500+ dead American heroes, as well as to the thousands of American troops now missing one or more arms, or legs, or the ability to see or hear. So you really did expect a war without casualties. When are you going to stop playing your childish word games? You know goddam well that I am not the one who said anything about expecting a war without casualties. I was talking about what I called a post-war mess....if you choose to call that a war, that's your privilege. Don't bother responding.....I really don't give a **** what you want to twist my words into. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... No, I don't remember the words of our President on his arrival on the carrier, please provide a verifiable quote of them. I do recall the banner, but I do not recall Bush saying "Mission accomplished!" No, he didn't use those precise words. All he said was that the combat phase of the war was over. Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I can. I know it's a struggle for you to stay on topic, but we were talking about a post-war mess. If you want to call that a war, you ought to let the President know because he thinks it's over. How do you know the President thinks the war is over? Did he convey this to you directly? If not, you should be able to provide a verifiable quote to that effect. Please do so The press reported what he said, i.e. - "the combat phase of the war was over". Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I can. .. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"devil" wrote in message news Anyway, it's just that the current mess is so much worse, and that there is no clear way out. Only in your uninformed, illogical opinion. Goddam, the President is lucky!! Here's a guy who doesn't think the cost of an ongoing, endless armed insurgency can be worse than a relatively brief war. He wants us to think that he knows his way out of the mess, even though nobody in the White House or DOD has yet been able to figure it out. I'm sure they would if they could, it's just that they can't.....at least, not so far. Stand by for important communications from the highest levels of our government, Stevie boy. They'd be fools not to invite you to share your wisdom with them. (^-^))) |
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... Steven P. McNicoll wrote: "George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... No, I don't remember the words of our President on his arrival on the carrier, please provide a verifiable quote of them. I do recall the banner, but I do not recall Bush saying "Mission accomplished!" No, he didn't use those precise words. All he said was that the combat phase of the war was over. Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I can. Apparently you can't use it at all, since you have once again lied about what the exact wording the President used. I say lie because you have recently been playing pretty loose with your "facts" in these arguments. Hardly surprising given your single-minded, Pavlovian anti-Bush squawks of late--"facts" would be inconvenient for your rants, right? His actual words were, "Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country...We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We're bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous...The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq..." Gee, when you look at what he REALLY said, as opposed to your self-serving "translation" of his remarks inot a different context", it looks like he was pretty accurate. The "major combat phase", where our servicemembers confronted the Iraqi regular military and tossed its leader from power, *was* over. And the "securing and reconstructing" portion of the overall mission has been difficult and dangerous, as he said. So just what the hell are you differing with him about here, Georgie? I know it's a struggle for you to stay on topic, but we were talking about a post-war mess. If you want to call that a war, you ought to let the President know because he thinks it's over. How do you know the President thinks the war is over? Did he convey this to you directly? If not, you should be able to provide a verifiable quote to that effect. Please do so The press reported what he said, i.e. - "the combat phase of the war was over". Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I can. Another lie from Georgie, who since he claims to know how to use Google, should have been able to come up with the accurate wording himself; had you just been plain ignorant of the president's actual wording, we could call it a mistake, but since you know how to find the transcript and still choose to misquote him, that makes you a liar. Brooks . |
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... When are you going to stop playing your childish word games? You know goddam well that I am not the one who said anything about expecting a war without casualties. I was talking about what I called a post-war mess....if you choose to call that a war, that's your privilege. Post-war mess? |
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... No, he didn't use those precise words. All he said was that the combat phase of the war was over. Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I can. Probably easier. I don't need to use Google to find a quote of what he actually said, I already know what he actually said. The press reported what he said, i.e. - "the combat phase of the war was over". Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I can. Easier. The point is he didn't say the war was over. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... No, he didn't use those precise words. All he said was that the combat phase of the war was over. Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I can. Probably easier. I don't need to use Google to find a quote of what he actually said, I already know what he actually said. The press reported what he said, i.e. - "the combat phase of the war was over". Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I can. Easier. The point is he didn't say the war was over. If you say so. In any case, I'm satisfied that the words he used meant exactly that, and I expect that most of the English speaking world feels the same way about it. You must have an awful inferiority complex to get satisfaction out of twisting the words of others. I've noticed that I'm not the only one you favor in that manner since you seem to use that ploy with just about anybody who foolishly exchanges words with you. It hardly generates friendly feelings or even feelings of civility to be constantly and persistently pushed by you to explain the meanings of commonly accepted words and/or phrases or to have you redefine their meanings into something that wasn't intended, but if that's how you get your jollies, I don't expect that bringing it to your attention will result in any behavioral changes on your part. But I felt that I had to try even if it ends up only being something akin to ****ing into the wind. |
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