McCain in '08

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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Actually, I have followed it. Naming the "Keating Five" does not stray
from the topic.


Yes it does.

No it does not.

Larry Dighera wrote:

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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| On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:26:43 -0400, Jessica Rhodes

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| And while we are discussing the Keating Five, let's not
forget the rest of the
| Keating Five:
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| It would seem that they would be off-topic in this message
thread.

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:03:34 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote in
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why?

Because The Keating Five are not the topic the original poster chose
as the subject of this message thread. The thread refers to McCain
not the Keating Five. While McCain was a member of the Keating Five,
the subject only refers to McCain, so discussing the other members of
the Keating Five would appear to be off-topic.

If a reader chooses to change the subject of the message, s/he should
change the subject thus:

Subject: OT: The Keating Five (Was: McCain in '08)

Surely you were able to deduce that.

You are the man who brought up "Keating Five" in the thread. Follow your
own advice first before you dictate to others.

gatt wrote:

"Jessica Rhodes" wrote in message
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Unless they risked their ass as McCain did and served as a POW
themselves,
his political opponents' opinion isn't worth cold **** in an old boot.

I admire Sen McCain's service in the military and the sacrifices he
endured several decades ago,

I don't for a second admire that he was a POW. It wasn't his choice. He
didn't want to be one. Having been raised by a POW and seen the long-term
effects of what subhumans did to him, there's nothing about his experience
to admire. One can only respect them and remember to give thanks. I would
have been more clear had I said "his political opponents' opinion OF HIS
MILITARY SERVICE isn't worth..." which is what I meant. Criticising his
political policies or career is of course fair, but when you start picking
on a POW for being a POW, you are patently unworthy to be a leader of
Americans.

To say that someone can not disagree with a political position, opinion,
or a politician without insulting one's former service as a soldier,
sailor, or airman is fundamentally ridiculous.

I absolutely agree that once a person becomes a politician they're fair game
for public opinion, BUT, in no way does that give another politician an
excuse to discredit or call into question his military record, whether it's
McCain, Murtha, Bush Sr. or anybody else the United States of America saw
fit to decorate.

Here's the bottom line. McCain was a POW. He gave many years of his life
in service of his country. To attempt to diminish or devalue that for
political leverage is absolutely beneath contempt. That's the way it is.
Semper Fi.

To attempt to use one's past service and sacrifices for today's political
leverage does great disservice to EVERYONE who has had sacrifice.

("De Loon De Loon" wrote)
I agree. This is where our politics is. It started with the Robert Bork
SCOTUS hearings, and was perfected by the Clintonistas. Now, many members
of both parties attack each other, rather than debate ideas. Its sad,
actually....


Today's politicions are rank amateurs compared to some of the old school
boys!

1800, 1828, 1860....


Montblack
As a result, Federalist newspapers claimed that the election of Jefferson
would cause the "teaching of murder robbery, rape, adultery and incest".

gatt wrote:

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
I admire McCain for his service to the country. I dislike Boyer for his
dis-service to the country.

At least you didn't go on a whacko left wing character assination track,
like certain of the lefties out west...

Character assassination is not a sole tactic of the left wing. The combat
service records of Murtha, Kerry and McCain were all attacked by the right.
I value the integrity of my own political standards which is why I was also
royally ****ed when -some- of the left was accusing GHWB of cowardice for
bailing out of his aircraft.

It's a cheap shot; accusing somebody of cowardice in combat during a life or
death struggle in which the accuser was never close to any similar
situation. Unfortunately, it's a tactic employed by contemptable and
embarrassing elements of both the left -and- right.

We admire Kerry's four (4) months that he served in theatre in Vietnam. But
that is not relevant to his political positions today, or the lack of any
accomplishments in 20 years as a Senator, plus his time spent (not much else we
can say about it is there?) as Mike Dukakis's lieutenant governor.

gatt wrote:

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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I'm pretty sure that gatt was reacting to the opponent's trashing of
McCain's
POW experience rather than any opponent disagreeing with any political
position.

Exactly. I was less than clear in my previous post, but that's what I meant.

(I disagree strongly with much of what Murtha says, but in other forums
there are folks calling him a coward, a traitor and a liar, which is to
suggest that the Navy and the Marine Corps honor cowardice or that they lied
when they saw fit to decorate him for heroism. Such an accusation
challenges not only the integrity of the Murtha, but of the Marine Corps,
and if a politican does that, he's not going to get my vote, he's going to
get my absolute contempt. Semper Fi, et al.)

It's pretty clear what Murtha's agenda is.

Bob Noel wrote:

In article , Jessica Rhodes wrote:

gatt wrote:


It is not yet publicly known just how much he collaborated and what
kind of favors he received in return. Those in the U.S. government
that do know are not talking.

Unless they risked their ass as McCain did and served as a POW themselves,
his political opponents' opinion isn't worth cold **** in an old boot.

The more people trash-talk McCain's service a Prisoner of War, the more
likely I am to support him. Right or left, America needs to identify,
publically humiliate and politically destroy any of these political asshats
who challenge the people's combat records for political leverage,
especially
when those doing the trash-mouthing never once laced up a boot or a
flightsuit for their people.

I admire Sen McCain's service in the military and the sacrifices he endured
several decades ago, as a naval aviatior. Today however, he is a politician.
To
say that someone can not disagree with a political position, opinion, or a
politician without insulting one's former service as a soldier, sailor, or
airman is fundamentally ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure that gatt was reacting to the opponent's trashing of McCain's
POW experience rather than any opponent disagreeing with any political
position.

Who was attacking McCain's PoW experience?

"Morgans" wrote in message
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I remember some of the attacks on Kerry, but not the others.


But do you remember any by "the right"? I remember the Swift Boat Veterans
for Truth, but they weren't a right wing group, their message wasn't
political at all.

("Steven P. McNicoll" wrote)
But do you remember any by "the right"? I remember the Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth, but they weren't a right wing group, their message
wasn't political at all.


Yeah, sure. Ok.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth/Funding
SBVT - Funding

I must have been watching a different election.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth
SBVT - scroll down to History.


Montblack

Character assassination is not a sole tactic of the left wing. The
combat
service records of Murtha, Kerry and McCain were all attacked by the
right.

They were? Have any examples?

I remember some of the attacks on Kerry, but not the others.
--
Jim in NC