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In message , tankfixer
writes In article , says... In message , tankfixer writes Have you seen the video of a couple of SAS fellows who clung to the stub wing of a AH64 to perform a rescue ? Royal Marines from 45 Commando, not SAS. Two Apaches flew four booties back into Jugroom Fort in Helmand Province, Afghanistan to retrieve a badly wounded bootneck after an attack was repulsed: unfortunately, despite the expenditure of many munitions and more courage, Marine Matty Ford died of his injuries. My mistake, thanks for the correction. "No harm, no foul" seems to fit nicely here. Some seriously brave *******s did something stupidly courageous and the worst we can complain about is that some of them were assigned to the wrong unit? (Thermal cameras don't do beret colours...) -- The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools. -Thucydides pauldotjdotadam[at]googlemail{dot}.com |
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On Oct 20, 4:19*pm, BlackBeard wrote:
On Oct 20, 1:01*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 20, 1:55*pm, frank wrote: On Oct 19, 8:51*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 19, 8:39*pm, wrote: On Oct 19, 1:11*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 14, 11:27*pm, wrote: See: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/IRAQ101408.x... I wonder what else it can carry besides Hellfire. Nice, finally! No hub-center cannon though All kidding aside, I wonder if a cannon could be mounted down the road? A belly turret like the one on the OV-10D would be nice, then you could do normal strafing or just swivel it to the side and orbit the target like a mini- AC-130. That is a capital idea. Then one could orbit and do surveillance and be able to shoot to the side over a certain area. An Apache turret might work.... that would be pretty cool. I wonder what all that passenger space in the back is used for when it's flying a COIN mission? Hmm... multirole stuff for troops or surveillance gear? If they haev two people on board, one can guide something like a TOW or HOT missile while the other one flies. Pretty nice. Some Marine special ops (Recon ) guys told us they could put a platoon in there and parachute out the back. How the heck they did that, we never figured out. Sounds like a Clown Car but a pretty low cost way to do a platoon jump if they could pull it off. Might be OK for low level runs getting in past coverage, wonder how small a radar target it is when it gets up in some altitude? Like that German guy who landed in Red Square in the 80s. I keep getting an error trying to load the page. *Can anyone describe what you are talking about? A large single engine prop plane, looks like in civilian colors it would fit at most small airports, painted in drab and apparently capable of carrying and launching hellfire missiles. BB |
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says... On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:59:09 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum wrote: On Oct 20, 4:50*pm, Peter Skelton wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:42:34 -0700 (PDT), BlackBeard wrote: Thanks Jack and Dumpst. *That link worked. *I don't believe it can carry 12 passengers with all that equipment onboard. *I worked on several projects where we loaded EO/IR sensors, trackers, and targeting equipment onboard similar platforms we were using as test beds. *Not much room left after all that gets shoehorned in. re. OV-10. *I have a friend that was a USN test jumper who jumped several times from the Bronco. *He claims they'd sit on the deck, nuts- to-butts facing aft. *The Bronco would go into a steep climb and they'd all slide out the back. *Crazy... If the maximum payload load is 3500 lb as Cessna says, 12 kitted soldiers are not going to fit. Peter Skelton specs for the Grand Caravan Super Cargomaster, listed at 14 passengers plus two crew. Something like 3700-3800 pounds of cargo/people Weights: Empty Weight 1,746kg Maximum Take-Off Weight 3,629kg Maximum Load 1,900kg Fuel Capacity 1,267l Ramp Weight (Grand Caravan, Super Cargomaster) 3,985kg http://www.aerospace-technology.com/...van/specs.html http://www.aerospace-technology.com/...van/specs.html Interesting. The Cessna website gives the maximum useful load number I gave above. The Brochure downloadable from the site gives 1862 kg. It also shows that, for a range of 100 nm, the maximum payload, exclusive of 170 lb pilot and 45 min fuel reserve is 1588 kg. to get 300 nm it's down to 1361 kg. http://www.cessna.com/MungoBlobs/746...n_Brochure.pdf 12 kitted soldiers is too much weight. The MC-5 and MP-360 canopies used by the Marine Corps Force Recon troops can easily handle 400 pounds. They have been tested at weights up to 700 pounds. I don't think they regularly jump anywhere near that weight, but 400 pounds divided between the Marine and his separately- suspended duffel is probably not uncommon. http://atairaerospace.com/onyx/ul/ (been there, wrote the software, but DIDN'T jump out of the airplane----I'm a 62-year old ex-squid, after all!) Mark Borgerson |
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, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 20, 4:19*pm, BlackBeard wrote: On Oct 20, 1:01*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 20, 1:55*pm, frank wrote: On Oct 19, 8:51*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 19, 8:39*pm, wrote: On Oct 19, 1:11*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 14, 11:27*pm, wrote: See: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...=news/IRAQ1014 08.x... I wonder what else it can carry besides Hellfire. Nice, finally! No hub-center cannon though All kidding aside, I wonder if a cannon could be mounted down the road? A belly turret like the one on the OV-10D would be nice, then you could do normal strafing or just swivel it to the side and orbit the target like a mini- AC-130. That is a capital idea. Then one could orbit and do surveillance and be able to shoot to the side over a certain area. An Apache turret might work.... that would be pretty cool. I wonder what all that passenger space in the back is used for when it's flying a COIN mission? Hmm... multirole stuff for troops or surveillance gear? If they haev two people on board, one can guide something like a TOW or HOT missile while the other one flies. Pretty nice. Some Marine special ops (Recon ) guys told us they could put a platoon in there and parachute out the back. How the heck they did that, we never figured out. Sounds like a Clown Car but a pretty low cost way to do a platoon jump if they could pull it off. Might be OK for low level runs getting in past coverage, wonder how small a radar target it is when it gets up in some altitude? Like that German guy who landed in Red Square in the 80s. I keep getting an error trying to load the page. *Can anyone describe what you are talking about? A large single engine prop plane, looks like in civilian colors it would fit at most small airports, painted in drab and apparently capable of carrying and launching hellfire missiles. Something like a Cessna Caravan? Of which the Iraqi AF is taking delivery: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-air-force-035 78/ |
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On Oct 20, 9:59*pm, Mark Borgerson wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:59:09 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum wrote: On Oct 20, 4:50*pm, Peter Skelton wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:42:34 -0700 (PDT), BlackBeard wrote: Thanks Jack and Dumpst. *That link worked. *I don't believe it can carry 12 passengers with all that equipment onboard. *I worked on several projects where we loaded EO/IR sensors, trackers, and targeting equipment onboard similar platforms we were using as test beds. *Not much room left after all that gets shoehorned in. re. OV-10. *I have a friend that was a USN test jumper who jumped several times from the Bronco. *He claims they'd sit on the deck, nuts- to-butts facing aft. *The Bronco would go into a steep climb and they'd all slide out the back. *Crazy... If the maximum payload load is 3500 lb as Cessna says, 12 kitted soldiers are not going to fit. Peter Skelton specs for the Grand Caravan Super Cargomaster, listed at 14 passengers plus two crew. Something like 3700-3800 pounds of cargo/people Weights: Empty Weight 1,746kg Maximum Take-Off Weight 3,629kg Maximum Load 1,900kg Fuel Capacity 1,267l Ramp Weight (Grand Caravan, Super Cargomaster) 3,985kg http://www.aerospace-technology.com/...van/specs.html http://www.aerospace-technology.com/...van/specs.html Interesting. The Cessna website gives the maximum useful load number I gave above. The Brochure downloadable from the site gives 1862 kg. It also shows that, for a range of 100 nm, the maximum payload, exclusive of 170 lb pilot and 45 min fuel reserve is 1588 kg. to get 300 nm it's down to 1361 kg. http://www.cessna.com/MungoBlobs/746...n_Brochure.pdf 12 kitted soldiers is too much weight. The MC-5 and MP-360 canopies used by the Marine Corps Force Recon troops can easily handle 400 pounds. *They have been tested at weights up to 700 pounds. *I don't think they regularly jump anywhere near that weight, but 400 pounds divided between the Marine and his separately- suspended duffel is probably not uncommon. http://atairaerospace.com/onyx/ul/ (been there, wrote the software, but DIDN'T jump out of the airplane----I'm a 62-year old ex-squid, after all!) Mark Borgerson Test jump site looks like Marana... BB I guess everybody has some mountain to climb in their life. It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet. |
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On Oct 21, 1:52*am, Steve Hix
wrote: In article , *"David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 20, 4:19*pm, BlackBeard wrote: On Oct 20, 1:01*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 20, 1:55*pm, frank wrote: On Oct 19, 8:51*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 19, 8:39*pm, wrote: On Oct 19, 1:11*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 14, 11:27*pm, wrote: See: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...=news/IRAQ1014 08.x... I wonder what else it can carry besides Hellfire. Nice, finally! No hub-center cannon though All kidding aside, I wonder if a cannon could be mounted down the road? A belly turret like the one on the OV-10D would be nice, then you could do normal strafing or just swivel it to the side and orbit the target like a mini- AC-130. That is a capital idea. Then one could orbit and do surveillance and be able to shoot to the side over a certain area. An Apache turret might work.... that would be pretty cool. I wonder what all that passenger space in the back is used for when it's flying a COIN mission? Hmm... multirole stuff for troops or surveillance gear? If they haev two people on board, one can guide something like a TOW or HOT missile while the other one flies. Pretty nice. Some Marine special ops (Recon ) guys told us they could put a platoon in there and parachute out the back. How the heck they did that, we never figured out. Sounds like a Clown Car but a pretty low cost way to do a platoon jump if they could pull it off. Might be OK for low level runs getting in past coverage, wonder how small a radar target it is when it gets up in some altitude? Like that German guy who landed in Red Square in the 80s. I keep getting an error trying to load the page. *Can anyone describe what you are talking about? A large single engine prop plane, looks like in civilian colors it would fit at most small airports, painted in drab and apparently capable of carrying and launching hellfire missiles. Something like a Cessna Caravan? Of which the Iraqi AF is taking delivery: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...raqi-air-force... 78/ It is the Cessna "Grand" Caravan, bigger badder and cheaper |
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