Performance World Class design proposal

iPilot wrote:

Club Class will never make it to Olympics becuse of the coeficent system and
the fact that technical differences can still make the difference.


On the point of technical differences, the same thing could be said
about ski, which is nevertherless an olympic discipline.

Parachuting will never make it to Olympics. Reason? Look at what happened in
gymnastics or other heavily judges-depending sport - there are always
scandals around those.


"Ian Strachan" wrote in message
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In article , Gldcomp
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Nothing in the olympics has any form of handicapping because it has to be
a
strictly athlete agains athlete kind of thing.

OK, if that is so, it's probably the Standard and/or 15 metre class, if
the IGC want to try and get into the Olympics in the future.

The main barrier to new sports getting in seems to be the Olympic
organisation itself. I understand that the President and General
Secretary of FAI have made presentations about air sports to IOC
meetings, particularly on parachuting. The International Parachuting
Commission of FAI have wanted to get into the Olympics for some years
now.

--
Ian Strachan
Lasham Gliding Centre
UK

In the 1936 Olympics one of the sailing classes was the six metre class,
which was a development class, not a one design. The six metre class was
not invented for the Olympics, it had been raced for many years.

Gold went to the British boat Lalage, designed by David Boyd.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
Remove "ic" to reply.

"Ian Strachan" wrote in message
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In article , Gldcomp
writes

Nothing in the olympics has any form of handicapping because it has to be
a
strictly athlete agains athlete kind of thing.

OK, if that is so, it's probably the Standard and/or 15 metre class, if
the IGC want to try and get into the Olympics in the future.

The main barrier to new sports getting in seems to be the Olympic
organisation itself. I understand that the President and General
Secretary of FAI have made presentations about air sports to IOC
meetings, particularly on parachuting. The International Parachuting
Commission of FAI have wanted to get into the Olympics for some years
now.

--
Ian Strachan
Lasham Gliding Centre
UK

Stephanevdv,

The problem with club class is that it's in no way a monotype class, and
that given the problems with handicapping, there will never be a true
equality between participants. (..............)
I don't know where you get your info, but :
1) There is no handicap in the World Class competitions.
2)Yes, the PW-5 is a true monotype for olympic specs : design is public
domain, manufacturable in any part of the world.
You can get full detailed copy of plans and dimensions yourself from the
Univesity of Varsaw.

Perhaps DG, who has taken over the assets of LS but doesn't want to
produce the LS4, could be persuaded to transmit the production rights
to a manufacturer in a low-wages country? With all the LS4's already
flying, it would make a great monotype Word Class glider...

Any glider Manufactured by ONE company is not public domain and not
manufacturable in any part of the world

--
stephanevdv
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Peter F

Obviously you have a problem with the LS4. maybe its
a bit too high
performance for you - or not 'home built kit looking'
enough for you- i
don't know

As this has been discussed at great length, i wont
add much, other than
to reiterate that the PW5 is a crap glider that will
die off, sooner rather
than later, I hope. This is not just my opinion, it
is fact.

The idea of a monotype class, I think we all agree,
is a great idea. So
get a great glider to represent it - the LS4.

There clearly is problems with licensing and cost to
enable it to be a
viable option, but i think its not an impossible solution.


BTW - If, as you say, the ls4 has won 2 worlds - i
think that definately
means that it could hack it in the std class - it was
merely overtaken by
progress.
Something that the pw5 design clearly disregards.

Jez


At 08:06 02 September 2004, Gldcomp wrote:
Stephanevdv,

The problem with club class is that it's in no way
a monotype class,
and
that given the problems with handicapping, there will
never be a true
equality between participants. (..............)
I don't know where you get your info, but :
1) There is no handicap in the World Class competitions.
2)Yes, the PW-5 is a true monotype for olympic specs
: design is public
domain, manufacturable in any part of the world.
You can get full detailed copy of plans and dimensions
yourself from
the
Univesity of Varsaw.

Perhaps DG, who has taken over the assets of LS but
doesn't want to
produce the LS4, could be persuaded to transmit the
production
rights
to a manufacturer in a low-wages country? With all
the LS4's already
flying, it would make a great monotype Word Class
glider...

Any glider Manufactured by ONE company is not public
domain and not
manufacturable in any part of the world

--
stephanevdv
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Christ! You haven't understood a single line correctly from the message you were commenting. Sry.



"Gldcomp" wrote in message
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Stephanevdv,

The problem with club class is that it's in no way a monotype class, and
that given the problems with handicapping, there will never be a true
equality between participants. (..............)
I don't know where you get your info, but :
1) There is no handicap in the World Class competitions.
2)Yes, the PW-5 is a true monotype for olympic specs : design is public
domain, manufacturable in any part of the world.
You can get full detailed copy of plans and dimensions yourself from the
Univesity of Varsaw.

Perhaps DG, who has taken over the assets of LS but doesn't want to
produce the LS4, could be persuaded to transmit the production rights
to a manufacturer in a low-wages country? With all the LS4's already
flying, it would make a great monotype Word Class glider...

Any glider Manufactured by ONE company is not public domain and not
manufacturable in any part of the world

--
stephanevdv
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' Perhaps DG, who has taken over the assets of LS but
doesn't want to
produce the LS4, could be persuaded to transmit the
production rights
to a manufacturer in a low-wages country? '

This is not a good idea. The problem is retaining
the build quality to a level such that performance
does not vary from glider to glider (otherwise the
point of a mono type class is lost). The build quality
of the PW5 is so poor that variations between gliders
can easily be seen with a cursory glance.

If you want a glider built properly - pay the Germans
to do it. Everyone else gets it wrong.

I am a huge fan of making the LS4 the world class glider
but please don't lets stuff it up by having them built
too cheaply.

Ben.

PS. If you want proof look at the bits that Schempp
outsourced - the Duo Discus wing and the D2 rudder.


At 08:06 02 September 2004, Gldcomp wrote:
Stephanevdv,

The problem with club class is that it's in no way
a monotype class, and
that given the problems with handicapping, there will
never be a true
equality between participants. (..............)
I don't know where you get your info, but :
1) There is no handicap in the World Class competitions.
2)Yes, the PW-5 is a true monotype for olympic specs
: design is public
domain, manufacturable in any part of the world.
You can get full detailed copy of plans and dimensions
yourself from the
Univesity of Varsaw.

Perhaps DG, who has taken over the assets of LS but
doesn't want to
produce the LS4, could be persuaded to transmit the
production rights
to a manufacturer in a low-wages country? With all
the LS4's already
flying, it would make a great monotype Word Class
glider...

Any glider Manufactured by ONE company is not public
domain and not
manufacturable in any part of the world

--
stephanevdv
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Ben Flewett wrote

"If you want a glider built properly - pay the Germans to do it. Everyone else
gets it wrong."

I believe that some DGs are built in Slovenia. Also, what about the quality of
the LAKs, CZs, and some others which are not built in Germany. Does that make
them c..p? Finally, although we are moving away from gliders, VW is having a
real QC problem evidenced by increased customer complaints and dropping sales.
Yet they are built in Germany. Perhaps it's the fault of the foreign workers
there !

Cheers, Charles

Perhaps you should go over it again.

"iPilot" wrote in message
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Christ! You haven't understood a single line correctly from the message
you were commenting. Sry.



"Gldcomp" wrote in message
om...
Stephanevdv,

The problem with club class is that it's in no way a monotype class,
and
that given the problems with handicapping, there will never be a true
equality between participants. (..............)
I don't know where you get your info, but :
1) There is no handicap in the World Class competitions.
2)Yes, the PW-5 is a true monotype for olympic specs : design is public
domain, manufacturable in any part of the world.
You can get full detailed copy of plans and dimensions yourself from the
Univesity of Varsaw.

Perhaps DG, who has taken over the assets of LS but doesn't want to
produce the LS4, could be persuaded to transmit the production rights
to a manufacturer in a low-wages country? With all the LS4's already
flying, it would make a great monotype Word Class glider...

Any glider Manufactured by ONE company is not public domain and not
manufacturable in any part of the world

--
stephanevdv

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The LS4 is/was a great sailplane.

Do you think that DG really wants competition from a low wage, low health
and safety, low production cost country offering a product in competition to
its current range?

I don't think so!

Ian

"iPilot" wrote in message
...
Christ! You haven't understood a single line correctly from the message
you were commenting. Sry.



"Gldcomp" wrote in message
om...
Stephanevdv,

The problem with club class is that it's in no way a monotype class,
and
that given the problems with handicapping, there will never be a true
equality between participants. (..............)
I don't know where you get your info, but :
1) There is no handicap in the World Class competitions.
2)Yes, the PW-5 is a true monotype for olympic specs : design is public
domain, manufacturable in any part of the world.
You can get full detailed copy of plans and dimensions yourself from the
Univesity of Varsaw.

Perhaps DG, who has taken over the assets of LS but doesn't want to
produce the LS4, could be persuaded to transmit the production rights
to a manufacturer in a low-wages country? With all the LS4's already
flying, it would make a great monotype Word Class glider...

Any glider Manufactured by ONE company is not public domain and not
manufacturable in any part of the world

--
stephanevdv

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