Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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ubject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 3/1/04 6:44 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"Tex Houston" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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Thank you John. Friends are hard to find around here. (sigh)

If you just stopped lying, and started admitting when you had screwed
the
pooch (i.e., the whole "Guard was back home while we did the
fightin'"
crap)
you'd have more friends. Continuing to deny reality after you have
been
corrected by umpteen other posters does little to enamor the average
poster.

Brooks


Neither of you are exactly covering yourselves with glory in this
****ing
match. Both of you are splashing yourselves AND the bystanders.

A pox on both your houses! Anyone else feel the same way?

Actually, it would be a pox on Art's house. Art has lied and been caught
out by Kevin. Its quite entertaining.


And exactly what was that lie ****head?

Well, just to specify the *last* lie you uttered, it would be your continued
assertions, despite repeated corrections from numerous posters, that Guard
units were still sitting around their armories during WWII (when in fact the
ENTIRE National Guard had been serving on active duty since spring 1941 at
the latest, with some units having actually reported in during 1940), that
they were the "laughingstock" of fellows like you (despite the fact that
many Guard units had been in *combat* for almost two years before you even
put on a uniform), etc.

After that, we have to delve into your recent statement that you recieved a
call-up notice on your eighteenth birthday, leading to the question of just
how much of a "volunteer" you actually were. And BTW, these claims of yours
that the only way to get into the USAAF and into a flight crew was by
volunteering? More false claims from Art-- as verified by the following:

The USAF's Air University resources include reference to the fact that the
majority of the USAAF medics came from the draft pool (
www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/afhistory/ aaf_medical_services_wwii.pdf )

As to flight personnel, we have:

"The search for qualified pilots intensified in 1942. Early on, the Ferrying
Command scoured the country for all available civilian fliers; bush pilots,
test pilots, crop dusters, stunt pilots, barnstormers, and pilots who flew
on personal business or for fun all became candidates. These draftees were
expected to have five hundred hours of flying experience, a requirement that
soon dropped to two hundred to three hundred hours, depending on the
military's need. If they could pass a ninety-day probation period, they
became commissioned officers. By the end of 1942, a total of 1,372 pilots
had been commissioned, but the AAF's own flight-training programs began to
replace these conscripts after that date."

http://www.usaaf.net/ww2/airlift/airliftpg3.htm


Brooks



Arthur Kramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 3/1/04 7:52 PM Pacific Standard Time

You are so ****ing stupid and ignorant. YOu can't be drafted into Air
Crew or
into the Air Cadet Corps. It is 100% a volunteer service, How stupid
can
you
be? Your ignorance is appalling.

Uhmm..you were the one who specifically stated you received your call-up
notice on your eighteenth birthday, and have at the same time repeatedly
claimed to have volunteered for service (not just for flight duty). So
what's the story (this time)? You got your notice and high tailed it to
the
recruiting office in order to stay one-step ahead of serving in the
infantry, or what?

Brooks



Your lack of military experience is turning you into a bigger fool than
ever..
fool. You were obviously drafted since oyu never volunteered for anything
where
you might get hurt. I guess you are the Ohio Coward. Right?

Geeze, you are just not right in the head. What is this fascination with
Ohio you seem to have? I believe I have spent a grand total of two nights in
that state--one during the funeral we performed (the one I have repeatedly
told you was my only military duty in that state), and a second when I went
to the museum at Wright Pat. And no, I, like every other post-Vietnam
servicemember, was not drafted--the draft was history in 1973, when I was
all of eleven years old. I did volunteer--without benefit of having received
a draft notice to force me into doing that.

Your rants are getting more and more outlandish...and they still never
answer the questions posed to you. I wonder why... is the truth a bit too
close for comfort?

Brooks



Arthur Kramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 3/1/04 7:52 PM Pacific Standard Time

You are so ****ing stupid and ignorant. YOu can't be drafted into Air
Crew or
into the Air Cadet Corps. It is 100% a volunteer service, How stupid
can
you
be? Your ignorance is appalling.

Uhmm..you were the one who specifically stated you received your call-up
notice on your eighteenth birthday, and have at the same time repeatedly
claimed to have volunteered for service (not just for flight duty). So
what's the story (this time)? You got your notice and high tailed it to
the
recruiting office in order to stay one-step ahead of serving in the
infantry, or what?

Brooks



Your lack of military experience is turning you into a bigger fool than
ever..
fool. You were obviously drafted since oyu never volunteered for anything
where
you might get hurt. I guess you are the Ohio Coward. Right?

Art, why not just answer the question?

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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ubject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 3/1/04 6:44 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"Tex Houston" wrote in message
...

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
...
Thank you John. Friends are hard to find around here. (sigh)

If you just stopped lying, and started admitting when you had screwed
the
pooch (i.e., the whole "Guard was back home while we did the
fightin'"
crap)
you'd have more friends. Continuing to deny reality after you have
been
corrected by umpteen other posters does little to enamor the average
poster.

Brooks


Neither of you are exactly covering yourselves with glory in this
****ing
match. Both of you are splashing yourselves AND the bystanders.

A pox on both your houses! Anyone else feel the same way?

Actually, it would be a pox on Art's house. Art has lied and been caught
out by Kevin. Its quite entertaining.


And exactly what was that lie ****head?

Such language! When did I ever call you names?

As for the lies, you could easily read them all in Kevin's post. You did
read it, didn't you?

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Tex Houston" 777
Date: 3/1/04 5:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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Thank you John. Friends are hard to find around here. (sigh)

If you just stopped lying, and started admitting when you had screwed
the
pooch (i.e., the whole "Guard was back home while we did the fightin'"
crap)
you'd have more friends. Continuing to deny reality after you have been
corrected by umpteen other posters does little to enamor the average
poster.

Brooks


Neither of you are exactly covering yourselves with glory in this ****ing
match. Both of you are splashing yourselves AND the bystanders.

A pox on both your houses! Anyone else feel the same way?

Regards,

Tex Houston




For months I took his lying **** and never said a word. Now I am tired of
taking his crap. And the free ride of that lying **** is over.

Then point out where he lied. Was it about the National Guard being in
Federal Service by 1941?

Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 3/2/04 12:24 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 3/1/04 7:52 PM Pacific Standard Time

You are so ****ing stupid and ignorant. YOu can't be drafted into Air
Crew or
into the Air Cadet Corps. It is 100% a volunteer service, How stupid
can
you
be? Your ignorance is appalling.

Uhmm..you were the one who specifically stated you received your call-up
notice on your eighteenth birthday, and have at the same time repeatedly
claimed to have volunteered for service (not just for flight duty). So
what's the story (this time)? You got your notice and high tailed it to
the
recruiting office in order to stay one-step ahead of serving in the
infantry, or what?

Brooks



Your lack of military experience is turning you into a bigger fool than
ever..
fool. You were obviously drafted since oyu never volunteered for anything
where
you might get hurt. I guess you are the Ohio Coward. Right?

Art, why not just answer the question?



What question asshole?



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 3/2/04 12:24 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 3/1/04 7:52 PM Pacific Standard Time

You are so ****ing stupid and ignorant. YOu can't be drafted into
Air
Crew or
into the Air Cadet Corps. It is 100% a volunteer service, How stupid
can
you
be? Your ignorance is appalling.

Uhmm..you were the one who specifically stated you received your
call-up
notice on your eighteenth birthday, and have at the same time
repeatedly
claimed to have volunteered for service (not just for flight duty). So
what's the story (this time)? You got your notice and high tailed it
to
the
recruiting office in order to stay one-step ahead of serving in the
infantry, or what?

Brooks



Your lack of military experience is turning you into a bigger fool than
ever..
fool. You were obviously drafted since oyu never volunteered for
anything
where
you might get hurt. I guess you are the Ohio Coward. Right?

Art, why not just answer the question?



What question asshole?

Again with the namecalling. Is that all you can do? One would think a man
of your years and alleged experiences would be more mature.

As for the question, you read Kevin's post and know the question. Just
answer it and end the silliness.

Ragnar wrote:
"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 3/1/04 7:52 PM Pacific Standard Time

You are so ****ing stupid and ignorant. YOu can't be drafted into Air
Crew or into the Air Cadet Corps. It is 100% a volunteer service, How
stupid can you be? Your ignorance is appalling.

Uhmm..you were the one who specifically stated you received your call-up
notice on your eighteenth birthday, and have at the same time repeatedly
claimed to have volunteered for service (not just for flight duty). So
what's the story (this time)? You got your notice and high tailed it to the
recruiting office in order to stay one-step ahead of serving in the
infantry, or what?

Brooks



Your lack of military experience is turning you into a bigger fool than
ever.. fool. You were obviously drafted since oyu never volunteered for
anything where you might get hurt. I guess you are the Ohio Coward. Right?

Art, why not just answer the question?

I can't (and won't) speak for Art, but thinking back to those days, a lot of
people did exactly that.
When their draft notices arrived in the mail, they made a beeline down to one of
the recruiting stations and signed up for anything but the Army's infantry.
That's the way it worked, and nobody criticized it at the time. Personally, I
never waited for the notice to arrive; it was going to inevitably anyhow. As
soon as I finished my junior year in college, I hightailed it down to the
recruiting office and signed up for the Aviation Cadet program.

George Z.

"Ragnar" wrote in message
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 3/2/04 12:24 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National
Guard
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 3/1/04 7:52 PM Pacific Standard Time

You are so ****ing stupid and ignorant. YOu can't be drafted into
Air
Crew or
into the Air Cadet Corps. It is 100% a volunteer service, How
stupid
can
you
be? Your ignorance is appalling.

Uhmm..you were the one who specifically stated you received your
call-up
notice on your eighteenth birthday, and have at the same time
repeatedly
claimed to have volunteered for service (not just for flight duty).
So
what's the story (this time)? You got your notice and high tailed it
to
the
recruiting office in order to stay one-step ahead of serving in the
infantry, or what?

Brooks



Your lack of military experience is turning you into a bigger fool
than
ever..
fool. You were obviously drafted since oyu never volunteered for
anything
where
you might get hurt. I guess you are the Ohio Coward. Right?

Art, why not just answer the question?



What question asshole?

Again with the namecalling. Is that all you can do? One would think a
man
of your years and alleged experiences would be more mature.

As for the question, you read Kevin's post and know the question. Just
answer it and end the silliness.

Because it is apparently another one of those questions that he can't
answer, as it would demonstrate that his past repeated claims that he was
purely a volunteer for service were as lacking in truthfulness as some of
his other rants. Art, as you know, has a long history of ignoring those
questions that are problematic and instead leaping into baseless
mudslinging.

Brooks

ubject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 3/2/04 5:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"Ragnar" wrote in message
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 3/2/04 12:24 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National
Guard
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 3/1/04 7:52 PM Pacific Standard Time

You are so ****ing stupid and ignorant. YOu can't be drafted into
Air
Crew or
into the Air Cadet Corps. It is 100% a volunteer service, How
stupid
can
you
be? Your ignorance is appalling.

Uhmm..you were the one who specifically stated you received your
call-up
notice on your eighteenth birthday, and have at the same time
repeatedly
claimed to have volunteered for service (not just for flight duty).
So
what's the story (this time)? You got your notice and high tailed it
to
the
recruiting office in order to stay one-step ahead of serving in the
infantry, or what?

Brooks



Your lack of military experience is turning you into a bigger fool
than
ever..
fool. You were obviously drafted since oyu never volunteered for
anything
where
you might get hurt. I guess you are the Ohio Coward. Right?

Art, why not just answer the question?



What question asshole?

Again with the namecalling. Is that all you can do? One would think a
man
of your years and alleged experiences would be more mature.

As for the question, you read Kevin's post and know the question. Just
answer it and end the silliness.

Because it is apparently another one of those questions that he can't
answer, as it would demonstrate that his past repeated claims that he was
purely a volunteer for service were as lacking in truthfulness as some of
his other rants. Art, as you know, has a long history of ignoring those
questions that are problematic and instead leaping into baseless
mudslinging.

Brooks






And exacrtly what is the lie you alledge I told liar? You still refuse to
post it liar.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer