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Question About Mid-Air Collisions
On Sep 15, 2:46*pm, jason219
wrote: Hello everyone. *I'm preparing a mock press conference for one of my college classes. In my particular scenario, I am the public relations head of a top international airliner. Three hours into the flight, one of our planes was involved in a mid-air collision (whether it was with another aircraft or another object, I am not sure). The plane is still airborne but is only able to fly higher and to the right. All attempts to make a left turn or decrease altitude have failed. I need some expert knowledge on what would happen in this situation. Judging by the damage, is it possible to land the plane safely? *Is an emergency landing feasible? If so, what would the steps necessary be to execute it and how long (roughly) would that take? Thank you for your help! -- jason219 An aircraft failure causing a set of conditions that would induce a climbing attitude and right turns only is probably more likely now than it ever had been: other posters have been assuming a mechanical failure and have overlooked the possibility of an electronic or computer malfunction induced by the midair. Think of a fly by wire computer failure, think of HAL in the movie 2001. Then the question becomes, what happens when the airplane reaches its maximum altitude: Airplanes way up there are touchy beasts, my guess is at fuel exhaustion some perturbation to induce an out of aerodynamic control airplane. It's going to come down, if there's control authority it will mush down with a nose high attitude, more likely it will be falling out of the sky. You, the PR guy, will have an interesting task because although HAL can control the airplane, it cannot control the use of the cell phones aboard it. The passengers will be telling their families what is happening to them, and for sure at least CNN will be broadcasting at least one of the telephone conversations and the images being transmitted over the phone network. I can hear some reporter now, asking someone aboard the airplane "How do you feel?" |
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Question About Mid-Air Collisions
On Sep 15, 9:59*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote: On Sep 15, 2:46*pm, jason219 wrote: Hello everyone. *I'm preparing a mock press conference for one of my college classes. In my particular scenario, I am the public relations head of a top international airliner. Three hours into the flight, one of our planes was involved in a mid-air collision (whether it was with another aircraft or another object, I am not sure). The plane is still airborne but is only able to fly higher and to the right. All attempts to make a left turn or decrease altitude have failed. I need some expert knowledge on what would happen in this situation. Judging by the damage, is it possible to land the plane safely? *Is an emergency landing feasible? If so, what would the steps necessary be to execute it and how long (roughly) would that take? Thank you for your help! -- jason219 Although the airfoil surfaces are stuck in a position to induce lift, the plane would be induced to decrease elevation by throttle reduction or fuel mixture. *If you can only turn left you won't make it. Airliners don't have mixture controls. -- Jim Pennino Thank you. I stand corrected. You're still a pinhead. --- Mark |
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Question About Mid-Air Collisions
On Sep 16, 12:49*am, Jim Logajan wrote:
No - as you said, all attempts to decrease altitude have failed. They're stuck up there forever. Aerial refueling! Zipline sandwiches. No problem. --- Mark |
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Question About Mid-Air Collisions
On Sep 16, 12:49*am, Jim Logajan wrote:
When a mock reporter asks what is being done, answer with this: "We're routing him into Lake Michigan, at least we'll avoid killing innocent people!" All Lake Michigan boaters aren't guilty. Only most of them. --- Mark |
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Question About Mid-Air Collisions
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. . jason219 wrote: Hello everyone. Hello! Welcome to this happy place. I'm preparing a mock press conference for one of my college classes. In my particular scenario, I am the public relations head of a top international airliner. snipped Well Done Jim.... Terry N6401F |
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Question About Mid-Air Collisions
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 03:27:48 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
On Sep 15, 9:59*pm, wrote: Mark wrote: On Sep 15, 2:46*pm, jason219 wrote: Hello everyone. *I'm preparing a mock press conference for one of my college classes. In my particular scenario, I am the public relations head of a top international airliner. Three hours into the flight, one of our planes was involved in a mid-air collision (whether it was with another aircraft or another object, I am not sure). The plane is still airborne but is only able to fly higher and to the right. All attempts to make a left turn or decrease altitude have failed. I need some expert knowledge on what would happen in this situation. Judging by the damage, is it possible to land the plane safely? *Is an emergency landing feasible? If so, what would the steps necessary be to execute it and how long (roughly) would that take? Thank you for your help! -- jason219 Although the airfoil surfaces are stuck in a position to induce lift, the plane would be induced to decrease elevation by throttle reduction or fuel mixture. *If you can only turn left you won't make it. Airliners don't have mixture controls. -- Jim Pennino Thank you. I stand corrected. You're still a pinhead. I am still a gay bipolar ****nutzoid. --- Mark The beginning of recovery is admission. |
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Question About Mid-Air Collisions
Look to the Sioux City crash of 1989. Circumstances were very similar. Pilot could only control altitude and direction by playing with the throttles. It was a miracle he could bring it to the runway at all, and nobody's ever been able to repeat it in a simulator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232 While the poster did not say so directly, the implication of "nobody's ever been able to repeat it in a simulator" is that the pilot of the plane was a superman and nobody else is as good. I believe that it simply means the simulator is not programmed to properly simulate such an extreme event. -- Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after. --Henry David Thoreau |
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Question About Mid-Air Collisions
Bug Dout writes:
While the poster did not say so directly, the implication of "nobody's ever been able to repeat it in a simulator" is that the pilot of the plane was a superman and nobody else is as good. I believe that it simply means the simulator is not programmed to properly simulate such an extreme event. In terms of behavior and maneuvering, the event was not particularly extreme, so simulating it should not be a problem, although it wouldn't necessarily be a perfect simulation. It's likely that the real flight was simply very lucky in a number of ways. At the same time, it wasn't as lucky as it could have been, since the landing would have been much smoother had it not been for some last-minute phugoid oscillation at just the wrong moment, aided slightly by the wind if I remember. |
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