Presidential TFRs -- AUGH!

"Bill Denton" wrote in message
...
Am I to assume you perform open-heart surgery on yourself instead of
consulting a specialist?

The primary job of the Secret Service is to protect the President and
other
officials. And they are pretty well world-renowned for their expertise.

The other main job of the SS is to protect the currency against
counterfeiting. Strange how it always come back to money!

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:48:40 +0100, "CB"
wrote:


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:08:00 GMT, "Neil Gould"
wrote:

Is there any logical reason why these TFRs exist?

They exist to provide the illusion that the SS is able to actually do
something to protect the leader of the free world from harm. It's a
CYA thing, in my opinion.

Of course, the reality is, like many things governmental, largely
ineffective. Over 3,000 square miles of restricted airspace
surrounding the US President is absurd, but then so is the current
office holder...

Didn't Hitler also have the SS?



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If security were my job, and I were the absolute arbiter of
how that job were achieved, my first rule would be "no [in-person] public
appearances".

I agree with that. If a president can't travel without a 50-mile TFR,
he probably shouldn't travel at all.

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I live just outside Philly. PA is one of the "battleground states" so I
expect we'll have plenty of TFR's. It's a PIA when george is around.
It's much worse for the little FBO's and flight schools that have to
close shop for the day and lose money. He was in York, PA last friday.
The TFR stopped about 2 miles from my home airport. Just to be sure
I didn't cross the line I left for KWWD about an hour before it was
scheduled to begin. Great day for flying but hundreds are grounded for
the day. But that's our president looking out for the little guy.

I call flight service before every flight to check on TFR's.

Dave
68 7ECA

Jay Honeck wrote:
Sure -- the ONE time in my life I want to fly to Superior, WI, in the middle
of absolutely no where Wisconsin, to visit the Bong Museum (BOTH kids are at
camp -- heh, heh) -- and the President of the United States chooses TODAY to
visit Duluth, MN.

Right across the bridge from Superior...

It's a no-fly zone till later tonight...

What perfect timing. I don't think anyone can calculate the odds of this
happening.

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:12:35 -0400, dave
wrote:

I live just outside Philly. PA is one of the "battleground states" so I
expect we'll have plenty of TFR's. It's a PIA when george is around.
It's much worse for the little FBO's and flight schools that have to
close shop for the day and lose money. He was in York, PA last friday.
The TFR stopped about 2 miles from my home airport. Just to be sure
I didn't cross the line I left for KWWD about an hour before it was
scheduled to begin. Great day for flying but hundreds are grounded for
the day. But that's our president looking out for the little guy.

I call flight service before every flight to check on TFR's.

Dave
68 7ECA

I'm also just outside of Philly. I'm not looking forward to the
inevitable campaigning that will take place in this state. I live
near KLOM (where I watch) and fly out of N10. Both airports are
affected when the pres comes to Philly. I'm not sure, but after the
nomination, doesn't Kerry get similar treatment?

Seems to me that commercial aviation has a lot more to answer for when
it comes to actual acts by terrorists in airplanes. What are they
accomplishing by grounded us and letting the "guilty" parties fly?
(Rhetorical question-not looking for logic).

Rich Russell

Richard Russell wrote:

I'm also just outside of Philly. I'm not looking forward to the
inevitable campaigning that will take place in this state. I live
near KLOM (where I watch) and fly out of N10. Both airports are
affected when the pres comes to Philly.

According to AOPA, it'll be worse. They're doubling the diameter of the presidential
TFRs.

I'm not sure, but after the
nomination, doesn't Kerry get similar treatment?

Same source - Kerry will get TFRs, but security officials opine that it will not be
as large as the ones the prez gets.

George Patterson
In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault.
In Tennessee, it's evangelism.

Larry Dighera wrote:

Of course, the reality is, like many things governmental, largely
ineffective. Over 3,000 square miles of restricted airspace
surrounding the US President is absurd, but then so is the current
office holder.

I'll vote for Kerry if in the first 90 days he does away with TFRs, and
comes out whole heartedly and irrevocably in favor of a 10% flat tax on
all income corporate and personal, with zero deductions and no such
thing as a joint return.

Until then he'd better not catch fire, 'cause I'm no jaywalker.


--
Jack

"Cave ab homine unius libri"

Jay Masino wrote:

I think the President *could* do something. He could go to the head of
the Secret Service and say "lift the ADIZ and reduce the number of TFRs or
you're fired". If that he resists, he fires him, and goes to the next in
the command chain. At some point, the Secret Service "management" would
do it. But that would assume the President had balls.

I doubt it's so much a matter of "balls" as it is the inevitable
concomitant of the Secret Service's dedication to protecting the
"office". Pretty quickly the "office-holder" begins to think the same way.

Whether that's ego, or a something like a sense of noblesse oblige, I
couldn't say.


--
Jack

"Cave ab homine unius libri"

CB wrote:

The other main job of the SS is to protect the currency against
counterfeiting. Strange how it always come back to money!

Not so strange at all.

The other option is the Cross, Star of David, Crescent, or what have
you. But fortunately we have a Constitution which limits that sort of
thing. Either way, though, money remains a big factor.


--
Jack

"Cave ab homine unius libri"

In article , Jack
wrote:

I'll vote for Kerry if in the first 90 days he does away with TFRs, and
comes out whole heartedly and irrevocably in favor of a 10% flat tax on

Kerry to be irrevocably in favor of anything? you have GOT to be
kidding!!

--
Bob Noel