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  #51  
Old September 3rd 05, 08:59 PM
Dan Luke
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"john smith" wrote:

What is to be said?
Let's not overlook the obvious, Michael Moore is an idiot.
Michael Moore is in the entertainment industry.


And a pathologically ambitious blabbermouth.

Nevertheless, he makes a couple of telling points about the
Commander-in-Chief, who had his head up his ass for three days, then
made a photo op tour of the coast, complete with stops at sites
temporarily dressed up to look like vigorous recovery efforts were
underway.

People who take him seriously are just not living in the real world.
His rants and views are no different than the Daley Show on the Comedy
Channel.


Or O'Reilly or Coulter or Limbaugh. They're *all* self-promoting media
jaybirds whom no one should take seriously. Many people do though, as
can be seen so often in this newsgroup. The Daily Show at least doesn't
pretend to be anything but comedy.

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Dan
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Old September 3rd 05, 09:39 PM
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Are Moore does is show his ignorance is assigning responsibilities and
on delegating authorities in large organizations work. The President
signed the disaster declarations last week before Katrina hit the Gulf
coast. Apparently, Moore and the rest of the wacko left think the
entire US government is micromanaged by the President who retains his
full authorities regardless of where he happens to be.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"john smith" wrote:

What is to be said?
Let's not overlook the obvious, Michael Moore is an idiot.
Michael Moore is in the entertainment industry.


And a pathologically ambitious blabbermouth.

Nevertheless, he makes a couple of telling points about the
Commander-in-Chief, who had his head up his ass for three days, then
made a photo op tour of the coast, complete with stops at sites
temporarily dressed up to look like vigorous recovery efforts were
underway.

People who take him seriously are just not living in the real world.
His rants and views are no different than the Daley Show on the
Comedy Channel.


Or O'Reilly or Coulter or Limbaugh. They're *all* self-promoting
media jaybirds whom no one should take seriously. Many people do
though, as can be seen so often in this newsgroup. The Daily Show at
least doesn't pretend to be anything but comedy.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM



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Old September 3rd 05, 10:50 PM
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sfb wrote:
Are Moore does is show his ignorance is assigning responsibilities and
on delegating authorities in large organizations work. The President
signed the disaster declarations last week before Katrina hit the Gulf
coast. Apparently, Moore and the rest of the wacko left think the
entire US government is micromanaged by the President who retains his
full authorities regardless of where he happens to be.


It doesn't really matter whether the President has any direct
"responsibility" for the situation in New Orleans - this happened
on his watch, so he's responsible for how it's handled. He may have -
and in fact probably does - delegate _authority_ for emergency
management, but you can't delegate responsibility. (Ask any US Navy
commander - who's career often depends quite literally on the 19 year-
old that's 'driving' his ship not running into anything.)

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Old September 3rd 05, 11:22 PM
sfb
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Never said the President wasn't responsible. Moore is saying the
President personally was not doing anything to directly help.

"Rich Lemert" wrote in message
ink.net...
sfb wrote:
Are Moore does is show his ignorance is assigning responsibilities
and on delegating authorities in large organizations work. The
President signed the disaster declarations last week before Katrina
hit the Gulf coast. Apparently, Moore and the rest of the wacko
left think the entire US government is micromanaged by the President
who retains his full authorities regardless of where he happens to
be.


It doesn't really matter whether the President has any direct
"responsibility" for the situation in New Orleans - this happened
on his watch, so he's responsible for how it's handled. He may have -
and in fact probably does - delegate _authority_ for emergency
management, but you can't delegate responsibility. (Ask any US Navy
commander - who's career often depends quite literally on the 19 year-
old that's 'driving' his ship not running into anything.)



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Old September 3rd 05, 11:37 PM
W P Dixon
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You have a point,
But it sure seems no one wants to put that load of responsibility on the
Mayor of New Orleans , nor the Governor of Louisiana,....and the
responsibility really did lie with them first. The city and the State
dropped the ball first. The Fed response was not enough, hopefully that will
continue to get fixed. But the Governor of LA's running of the entire
situation shows an extreme lack of any kind of leadership for that office.
And that statement is said with no political bias of anykind, because I do
not know anything about the Gov of LA! R or D, man or woman, white black
hispanic I don't know. What I do know is the person should not be in charge
of a small town, much less running a State.
You use a great analogy of the sailor steering the ship. Well notice how
the responsibility falls on the commander of the ship. It does not fall on
the Commanding Officer of the Fleet, nor the Secretary of the Navy, nor the
Commander in Chief. Before fingers are pointed in the direction of the
President , we have to point them at the local and State officials,..there
failures made this alot worse than it had to be. Those failures also have
made it worse for any type of relief effort.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft strutural mech

"Rich Lemert" wrote in message
It doesn't really matter whether the President has any direct
"responsibility" for the situation in New Orleans - this happened
on his watch, so he's responsible for how it's handled. He may have -
and in fact probably does - delegate _authority_ for emergency
management, but you can't delegate responsibility. (Ask any US Navy
commander - who's career often depends quite literally on the 19 year-
old that's 'driving' his ship not running into anything.)




  #56  
Old September 4th 05, 02:02 AM
Orval Fairbairn
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In article . net,
Rich Lemert wrote:

sfb wrote:
Are Moore does is show his ignorance is assigning responsibilities and
on delegating authorities in large organizations work. The President
signed the disaster declarations last week before Katrina hit the Gulf
coast. Apparently, Moore and the rest of the wacko left think the
entire US government is micromanaged by the President who retains his
full authorities regardless of where he happens to be.


It doesn't really matter whether the President has any direct
"responsibility" for the situation in New Orleans - this happened
on his watch, so he's responsible for how it's handled. He may have -
and in fact probably does - delegate _authority_ for emergency
management, but you can't delegate responsibility. (Ask any US Navy
commander - who's career often depends quite literally on the 19 year-
old that's 'driving' his ship not running into anything.)



No -- it starts with the mayor of New Orleans, then the governor of
Louisiana, THEN the President!

The mayor should have asked the governor to declare martial law -- AND
put the school busses and their drivers on duty to provide evacuation,
rathe than parking the busses where they would end up 10 feet under
water.

The governor should have (and has the authority) declared martial law
and called out the LA National Guard to keep order. She chose, instead,
to balame the President for not doing her duty.
 




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