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The President Is Not Making Any Friends With His 3,000 Square Mile TFRs
What can be done to keep this President in the White House? He's got over 2,000 square miles of airspace restricted there. Believe me, no one wants to hear his lies in Los Angeles. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...nes-california 4 Planes Forced to Land in Breach of Airspace During Bush's Visit The small-craft pilots are grounded at area airports during Rancho Cucamonga appearance. By Susannah Rosenblatt, Times Staff Writer Fighter jets forced four small airplanes to land Monday after they strayed into restricted airspace during President Bush's visit to Rancho Cucamonga, federal officials said. Secret Service agents and local law enforcement officials detained and questioned at least three of the pilots, who were forced to land their private aircraft at airports in Corona, El Monte, Hawthorne and Hemet, said Lt. Jody Vazquez, spokeswoman for North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD. No arrests were made, but the Federal Aviation Administration will determine whether any of the pilots should face sanctions, Vazquez said. As the president delivered remarks on Medicare and immigration, 30 nautical miles around Ontario International Airport and Rancho Cucamonga were off-limits to most planes except military, law enforcement, commercial and special FAA-approved aircraft, said FAA spokesman Donn Walker. The undisclosed number of patrol F-16s shot two flares each across the nose of two of the planes to attract the pilots' attention and force them to land, said Vazquez and Chris Butler, resident agent in charge for the Secret Service in Riverside. The flares are "one way we can try to say, 'Hey, look, you are not where you're supposed to be," said Vazquez, who added that several other aircraft entered the restricted zone but left immediately after the FAA contacted them. The couple that landed at Corona Municipal Airport had been headed to Southern California from Northern California and were unaware of the flight advisory Monday, Butler said. In another of the four incidents, Marcel Avery, 62, was flying his four-seat Cessna 182 from Hawthorne to Scottsdale, Ariz., when an F-16 appeared at his left side and waggled its wing at him twice, he said."I was very, very surprised to see an F-16 on my wing," said Avery, a 30-year flying veteran who said he had carefully plotted his course with his flight instructor to avoid the restricted area. The Manhattan Beach resident was grounded about two hours; Hemet police and an FBI agent made a copy of his pilot's license and searched his plane."It was a bit confusing — I didn't really understand and think I should be [grounded]," Avery said. "On the other hand, you don't argue with the police, and you don't argue with the FAA. They tell you to do something and you do it, or you suffer dire consequences." .... |
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Larry Dighera wrote: What can be done to keep this President in the White House? He's got over 2,000 square miles of airspace restricted there. Believe me, no one wants to hear his lies in Los Angeles. Expect a bunch of GA trained Saudis & Co. to remain in CA, a 9/11 cell was from SD. JG |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:49:20 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote: Believe me, no one wants to hear his lies in Los Angeles. Where is Los Angeles? I saw a movie where it slid off into the Pacific Ocean. Mike Weller |
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I know this guy and the instructor in question. In fact I was with the
instructor when the guy called afterwards to talk about the incident. He has no business playing the role of a victim as it sounds in the article. He was made aware of the TFR by the instructor (who did not plot any course with him), signs all over the airport office, and most likely flight service if he bothered to call. Larry Dighera wrote: In another of the four incidents, Marcel Avery, 62, was flying his four-seat Cessna 182 from Hawthorne to Scottsdale, Ariz., when an F-16 appeared at his left side and waggled its wing at him twice, he said."I was very, very surprised to see an F-16 on my wing," said Avery, a 30-year flying veteran who said he had carefully plotted his course with his flight instructor to avoid the restricted area. The Manhattan Beach resident was grounded about two hours; Hemet police and an FBI agent made a copy of his pilot's license and searched his plane."It was a bit confusing - I didn't really understand and think I should be [grounded]," Avery said. "On the other hand, you don't argue with the police, and you don't argue with the FAA. They tell you to do something and you do it, or you suffer dire consequences." ... |
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On 1 Sep 2005 13:51:21 -0700, "Yossarian"
wrote in .com:: I know this guy and the instructor in question. In fact I was with the instructor when the guy called afterwards to talk about the incident. He has no business playing the role of a victim as it sounds in the article. Given the fact that the F-16s had to fire flairs to get the pilot's attention, I would have to agree with you. I'm wondering why he didn't he tune to 121.5 MHz per intercept procedures. Did the CFI brief those procedures? |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
What can be done to keep this President in the White House? A lot of us were asking the same thing about this time last year. He's got over 2,000 square miles of airspace restricted there. Believe me, no one wants to hear his lies in Los Angeles. Well to be sure, we are talking about THIS President I believe, so we have a flawed premise fallacy there. If we were afraid of lies we should be talking about the LAST President. |
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Mike Weller wrote:
Larry Dighera wrote: Believe me, no one wants to hear his lies in Los Angeles. Where is Los Angeles? I saw a movie where it slid off into the Pacific Ocean. Escape from L.A. (1996) http://imdb.com/title/tt0116225 Another film about turning a major city into a prison: Escape from New York (1981) http://imdb.com/title/tt0082340 Can New Orleans be far behind? |
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He told the CFI that he tried 121.5 but got no response. How true that
is I have no idea. Instead he was able to contact Socal Approach who said that they had been watching him for a while and that he needed to land immediately. He wasn't one of the ones that got flares. I think that would look kinda cool personally (as long as it wasn't my license on the line Larry Dighera wrote: On 1 Sep 2005 13:51:21 -0700, "Yossarian" wrote in .com:: I know this guy and the instructor in question. In fact I was with the instructor when the guy called afterwards to talk about the incident. He has no business playing the role of a victim as it sounds in the article. Given the fact that the F-16s had to fire flairs to get the pilot's attention, I would have to agree with you. I'm wondering why he didn't he tune to 121.5 MHz per intercept procedures. Did the CFI brief those procedures? |
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"Jim Taylor" wrote in message
... He's got over 2,000 square miles of airspace restricted there. Believe me, no one wants to hear his lies in Los Angeles. Well to be sure, we are talking about THIS President I believe, so we have a flawed premise fallacy there. If we were afraid of lies we should be talking about the LAST President. Huh? Getting reelected made him a different person? For sure, "the LAST President" -- that is, the one in office from 2000 to 2004 -- told plenty of lies. And unlike the previous one, his lies got tens of thousands of people killed. Pete |
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