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I've seen one or two
historical unit patches that had the motto in French - but these units likely had originated there in WW I. ...NEVER in English. Even units whose history began in France may display their motto in Latin. The 2nd Bomb Wings origins begin in France, yet both its patches had the motto in Latin. Morto et Destructo - a very cool yet un-PC Death and Destruction and Liberatus Defensmus (not sure about spelling there) - Defenders of Liberty(boring!). BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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Hey, it's right up there with 'Defensor Pacis" (defenders of peace) on the
4500 ABW T-39s at Langley AFB in the 1970s. The first USAF squadron I was in was the 740th Strategic Missile Squadron of the 91st Strategic Missile Wing. The squadrons motto was "Custodius Pacis" ;custodians of peace, but if you look in the dictionary you'll also note for custodian the definition most associated with the word; janitor. We used to call ourselves the peace janitors. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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On 14 Apr 2004 12:02:19 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:
Hey, it's right up there with 'Defensor Pacis" (defenders of peace) on the 4500 ABW T-39s at Langley AFB in the 1970s. The first USAF squadron I was in was the 740th Strategic Missile Squadron of the 91st Strategic Missile Wing. The squadrons motto was "Custodius Pacis" ;custodians of peace, but if you look in the dictionary you'll also note for custodian the definition most associated with the word; janitor. We used to call ourselves the peace janitors. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" Don't know that I ever, in 23 years, served in a unit with a foreign language motto on the patch. Most simply had the unit number or the MAJCOM name---lemme see: 3526 Pilot Training Sqdn--no motto Muletrain Hacker (no mottos on flight patches) 4526 Combat Crew Training Sqdn--no motto 388th TFW (oops---Libertas Vel Mors) 421st TFS---"Ready, Willing, Able" 3526 Pilot Training Squadron--no motto 3525 Student Training Squadron (Academics)--"Who Dat?" 311 Combat Crew Training Squadron--no motto 388th TFW (still in Latin--Libertas Vel Mors) 469th TFS ---"World's Finest" 34th TFS ---no motto 401st TFS --- no motto 613 TFS --- no motto USAFE -- no motto 479th TTW --- (oops ---Protectores Libertatis) 435 TFTS --- no motto 602 TACW --- no motto For a wealth of patches take a look at http://www.usafpatches.com/gallery.shtml Easy organization by unit size (sqdn, group, wing) and numbers. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:43:50 -0400, John Hairell
wrote: USAF units that have a provenance running back to the Army Air Corps or the even earlier Air Service had unit crests and heraldry designed to Army standards by Army historical authorities (The Army Institute of Heraldry - TIOH - and predeccessor outfits in the QMC), and those may have French or Latin mottos, or they may be in another language. Nothing to do with mottos, but these are the people who designed the old NASA "meatball" logo, with inputs from the Agency. The "worm" logo was an expensive design by a fancy company and the Agency returned to the old logo by popular request about a decade after the "worm" logo was introduced. Mary -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message ... Don't know that I ever, in 23 years, served in a unit with a foreign language motto on the patch. Most simply had the unit number or the MAJCOM name---lemme see: 3526 Pilot Training Sqdn--no motto Muletrain Hacker (no mottos on flight patches) 4526 Combat Crew Training Sqdn--no motto 388th TFW (oops---Libertas Vel Mors) 421st TFS---"Ready, Willing, Able" 3526 Pilot Training Squadron--no motto 3525 Student Training Squadron (Academics)--"Who Dat?" 311 Combat Crew Training Squadron--no motto 388th TFW (still in Latin--Libertas Vel Mors) 469th TFS ---"World's Finest" 34th TFS ---no motto 401st TFS --- no motto 613 TFS --- no motto USAFE -- no motto 479th TTW --- (oops ---Protectores Libertatis) 435 TFTS --- no motto 602 TACW --- no motto Ed Rasimus Ed, Squadron patches seldom contain the foreign language mottos, nor do NAFs or Commands. Seems to be a wing style but as I told John the other day when he said he had never seen one without the foreign language quite a few contain English currently. Examples of Latin...(except 5th) !st Fighter Wing 2nd Bomb Wing 3rd Wing 5th Bomb Wing 7th Wing 8th Fighter Wing Six of the first seven I checked. A fairly complete list can be found at... http://www.maxwell.af.mil/au/afhra/w...oups_index.php Regards, Tex |
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The 391st TFS of the 475th TFW at Misawa Japan in 1970 had a patch that said
Fortuna Audentes Juvat - Fortune Favors the Bold. The 301st patch was a trialgular shield and the motto was on a rocker. The wing and squadron was deactivated and many of the personnel assigned to Kunsan AB Korea first to the 3rd TFW later redesignated 8th TFW when that unit left SEA. We, the 391st, became the 80th Headhunters. Guys began to tear the old patch off and often the word Juvat on the rocker would reman attached. It begane first an informal part of the flight suit and later a formal patch. The suqadron members became Juvats as they are to this day though I doubt if many know the origination or even the meaning of the logo. Squadron patches seldom contain the foreign language mottos, nor do NAFs or Commands. Seems to be a wing style but as I told John the other day when he said he had never seen one without the foreign language quite a few contain English currently. Examples of Latin...(except 5th) |
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Just because a unit served in France doesn't mean it had to have a
French motto, and vice versa. Yes and no. The 2nd Bomb wing is one of the "original" Army Air Corps flying wings, its emblem is displayed with 7 (I think its 7 others, maybe 8?) other "original" Army Air Corps wings on the Air Force corridor in the Pentagon. All 8 "original" units have something on their emblem that ties them to France. The 2nd Bomb wing has two Flor de Leis (spelling...help...) and at least one other unit has its motto in French. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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