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Warrant officers as Navy pilots
http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...4314-4356r.htm
New pilots The Army long has relied on warrant officers to pilot attack and transport helicopters. Now the Navy is going to give it a try. Navy planes and helicopters are piloted by line officers who serve as pilots. Other officers serve as naval flight officers . Under a pilot program, the Navy is asking "hard-charging sailors" to apply to become chief warrant officers and be among 30 selected for flight school, says a message from the chief of naval operations. New warrant officers must, on receiving their wings, sign up for at least eight years' service. The Navy plans to keep fighter jets off limits for now, but will open up four aircraft: two types of helicopters, a patrol plane and the venerable EA-6B electronic jammer that targets enemy tracking radars. A selection board will pick 16 enlisted personnel this July and 14 others next year. All must complete flight training and fleet qualifications before being promoted to senior warrant officer. Capt. Mark Guadagnini, division director for aviation personnel at Navy Personnel Command, said tapping the enlisted ranks does not mean the Navy has a pilot shortage. In fact, he told us, there are 12,500 pilots on active duty and more waiting in line. The new policy is being adopted for somewhat complicated reasons. It has to do with freeing up a backlog of junior pilots who need to spend time as squadron department heads in order to be promoted. The problem is not new, Capt. Guadagnini said. It's just that someone thought of this new way to solve it. "The Navy is always looking for better ways of doing business," the test pilot said. He said the fighter community will not necessarily stay off-limits to enlisted personnel forever. "If it works, and then there is a requirement to change the way we are doing personnel business, we can put them in any community," he said. |
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The Navy plans to keep fighter jets off limits for now, but will open up four aircraft: two types of helicopters, a patrol plane and the venerable EA-6B electronic jammer that targets enemy tracking radars. [quote] Their take on this is a bit off; according to the GENADMIN, the warrants will fly the H-60, P-3 and both flavors of VQ (not VAQ) which means EP-3 and E-6. |
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"Mike" wroteom...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...4314-4356r.htm The Army long has relied on warrant officers to pilot attack and transport helicopters. Now the Navy is going to give it a try. Navy planes and helicopters are piloted by line officers who serve as pilots. Other officers serve as naval flight officers . Under a pilot program, the Navy is asking "hard-charging sailors" to apply to become chief warrant officers and be among 30 selected for flight school, says a message from the chief of naval operations. Looks like a rehash of the Aviator LDO program of the 80s, substituting Warrants for LDOs. That one never got very popular, but who knows, this time around... |
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John Weiss wrote:
"Mike" wroteom... http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...4314-4356r.htm The Army long has relied on warrant officers to pilot attack and transport helicopters. Now the Navy is going to give it a try. Navy planes and helicopters are piloted by line officers who serve as pilots. Other officers serve as naval flight officers . Under a pilot program, the Navy is asking "hard-charging sailors" to apply to become chief warrant officers and be among 30 selected for flight school, says a message from the chief of naval operations. Looks like a rehash of the Aviator LDO program of the 80s, substituting Warrants for LDOs. That one never got very popular, but who knows, this time around... Same song, second verse, same reasoning, crappy deal for enlisted personnel, same program future. Senior enlisted personnel and current warrants and LDO's will talk the best candidates out of it and send the dreaming drifters who just want to fly into the program. Rick |
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Reading this puts me in mind of a brief experience in Marine Corps boot
camp, San Diego, 1964, a Drill Sgt reads off a list of names, saying "Sound off when you hear yours" and it was for the MARCad (Marine Aviation Cadet) Program. Unbelievably, I hears my name! I stands up, and for an instant, I was gonna fly jets off of carriers! And the Sgt looks up, sees I'ma wearing glasses, and yells, "SIT DOWN"! But just for one brief instant..... and it was a short list. Phil "Mike" wrote in message ups.com... http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...4314-4356r.htm New pilots The Army long has relied on warrant officers to pilot attack and transport helicopters. Now the Navy is going to give it a try. Navy planes and helicopters are piloted by line officers who serve as pilots. Other officers serve as naval flight officers . Under a pilot program, the Navy is asking "hard-charging sailors" to apply to become chief warrant officers and be among 30 selected for flight school, says a message from the chief of naval operations. New warrant officers must, on receiving their wings, sign up for at least eight years' service. The Navy plans to keep fighter jets off limits for now, but will open up four aircraft: two types of helicopters, a patrol plane and the venerable EA-6B electronic jammer that targets enemy tracking radars. A selection board will pick 16 enlisted personnel this July and 14 others next year. All must complete flight training and fleet qualifications before being promoted to senior warrant officer. Capt. Mark Guadagnini, division director for aviation personnel at Navy Personnel Command, said tapping the enlisted ranks does not mean the Navy has a pilot shortage. In fact, he told us, there are 12,500 pilots on active duty and more waiting in line. The new policy is being adopted for somewhat complicated reasons. It has to do with freeing up a backlog of junior pilots who need to spend time as squadron department heads in order to be promoted. The problem is not new, Capt. Guadagnini said. It's just that someone thought of this new way to solve it. "The Navy is always looking for better ways of doing business," the test pilot said. He said the fighter community will not necessarily stay off-limits to enlisted personnel forever. "If it works, and then there is a requirement to change the way we are doing personnel business, we can put them in any community," he said. |
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"pe.rhodes" wrote in
: Reading this puts me in mind of a brief experience in Marine Corps boot camp, San Diego, 1964, a Drill Sgt reads off a list of names, saying "Sound off when you hear yours" and it was for the MARCad (Marine Aviation Cadet) Program. Unbelievably, I hears my name! I stands up, and for an instant, I was gonna fly jets off of carriers! And the Sgt looks up, sees I'ma wearing glasses, and yells, "SIT DOWN"! But just for one brief instant..... and it was a short list. Phil Gee, amazingly similar to GLakes, 1969. My CC told me to get my ass over to some classroom NOW, "since you're already late". I got there just as they were turning out the lights to show "Ring of Gold", narrated by Robert Taylor. I watched it, for the umpteenth time, and when the lights came back up, I went over to check in. The PO2 at the desk looked up and asked, "What are you doing here?" I responded that I had been sent by my CC and would he check my name off on the list. He asked if I knew why I was there, and I responded, "probably some Academy offer", followed very quickly by "I already know my glasses are disqualifying, so check me off and I'll go back to my company." He complied, and we were done. My CC was slightly amused by the story. Dave in San Diego |
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Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal wrote: On 2/3/06 9:24 AM, in article , "Mike" wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...4314-4356r.htm New pilots The Army long has relied on warrant officers to pilot attack and transport helicopters. Now the Navy is going to give it a try. Navy planes and helicopters are piloted by line officers who serve as pilots. Other officers serve as naval flight officers . Under a pilot program, the Navy is asking "hard-charging sailors" to apply to become chief warrant officers and be among 30 selected for flight school, says a message from the chief of naval operations. New warrant officers must, on receiving their wings, sign up for at least eight years' service. The Navy plans to keep fighter jets off limits for now, but will open up four aircraft: two types of helicopters, a patrol plane and the venerable EA-6B electronic jammer that targets enemy tracking radars. That quote by the Times is wrong. It should read E-6A/B (as in Tacamo). No CV-based, fixed-wing aircraft are part of the program. This program is PURELY a money-saver for the Navy. That's the only reason it's around. Most enlisted folks I know aren't interested because jets aren't on the table. Isn't the E-6 Mercury a jet, based on the 707-320 model? Is it possible the program would include the warrants being qualified to fly the EA-6B of those squadrons which not not assigned to CVWs -- VAQ-133, -134, and -142? MW |
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Mike Weeks wrote:
Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal wrote: On 2/3/06 9:24 AM, in article .com, "Mike" wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...4314-4356r.htm New pilots The Army long has relied on warrant officers to pilot attack and transport helicopters. Now the Navy is going to give it a try. Navy planes and helicopters are piloted by line officers who serve as pilots. Other officers serve as naval flight officers . Under a pilot program, the Navy is asking "hard-charging sailors" to apply to become chief warrant officers and be among 30 selected for flight school, says a message from the chief of naval operations. New warrant officers must, on receiving their wings, sign up for at least eight years' service. The Navy plans to keep fighter jets off limits for now, but will open up four aircraft: two types of helicopters, a patrol plane and the venerable EA-6B electronic jammer that targets enemy tracking radars. That quote by the Times is wrong. It should read E-6A/B (as in Tacamo). No CV-based, fixed-wing aircraft are part of the program. This program is PURELY a money-saver for the Navy. That's the only reason it's around. Most enlisted folks I know aren't interested because jets aren't on the table. Isn't the E-6 Mercury a jet, based on the 707-320 model? Yes, but when naval aviators say "jets" they mean "fast jets," not converted airliners. Is it possible the program would include the warrants being qualified to fly the EA-6B of those squadrons which not not assigned to CVWs -- VAQ-133, -134, and -142? I doubt it. The Navy wants to get out of the expeditionary EW squadron business in a few years anyway. -- Tom Schoene lid To email me, replace "invalid" with "net" |
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