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Juvat wrote:
Guy Alcala posted: P.S. Do the articles you found describe the F-104 tactics used against the F-86Hs? I've got that. I don't...I have a couple "Double Attack" articles from FWR (1971 I think)...with editor's note at the end of each reminding readers that Fluid Four is how to get the job done. Snip info on pubs. Thanks Well, to give you the short version, if the (1 v. 1) Zip started on the defensive (420 kts)at low altitude, they'd go negative-G into ground clutter until reaching about 1.1M, making rapid banking reversals to prevent gun/missile shots (rare, as the F-86 pilots found it almost imposssible to reverse and get into a gun/missile envelope owing to their low speed after the defensive break and the negative closure on the accelerating 104s). Once out of AIM-9B/Atoll range, they'd begin a climbing turn at about M1.0 and 2g; typically, by the time they'd reached 180 deg. of turn the F-86s would have lost sight, and the F-104s would go offensive. When offensive, they'd start their pass at a minimum of 500-600Kts, which would allow them to pull up to 5g sustained (more got into buffet) and track the 86s for a gun shot, allowing speed to bleed down to no lower than 400 knots (Note that they'd only turn with the F-86s when the latter were fast, .7M; otherwise, they just made slashing attacks) before quarter rolling away, and proceed as for the defensive separation above. Same basic procedures for 2 v. 2 and 4 v. 4, except that double attack was used and the offensive passes were usually started at 1.1M and speed wasn't allowed to go below 500 kts. For the high altitude combats (35kft. start), the same basic technique was used, except that the initial dive and separation was steeper (ca. 40 deg.) until reaching M1.4 or so @ 10kft, then proceed as before. At both high and low altitude, once the 104s got their energy up after the initial defensive start they were never defensive again. As far as Tom knew, there was only a single, iffy kill called on the 104s by the 86s. One pilot started his climbing spiral a bit early, and the 86 pilot was able to get a tone at about 2,000 ft. range with negative closure. The range officer agreed that the shot was edge of the envelope, but the Zipper pilot admitted that he'd made a mistake and would have had to break if a missile had been fired. Guy |
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