P-51 question.

"av8r"
Hi Ed

No. 413 'Tusker' AW (F) Squadron flew the CF-100 MK. 5 at R.C.A.F.
Station Bagotville from the 1st of May 1957 to the end of December 1961.

No. 432 'Black Cougar' AW (F) Squadron flew the CF-100 Mk. 5 at R.C.A.F.
Station Bagotville from June 1956 to the 15th of October 1961.

Cheers...Chris


Chris:
Thanks. Now I remember. We didn't belong to the squardrons, as we went
to Central Servicing. Central Maintenance, and Labs. We worked on any
Squadron aircraft. When I first went overseas we belonged to a squadron. I
was with 423 at 2(F)Wing but when we got the CF-104's we went to this
central manpower pool system and you were assigned as base personnel. I
think they are again back to the squadron system as it is better for moral.
I think the USAF has a neat system! Your assigned to an airplane with its
aircrew. Better communication this way between the aircrew and ground crew.
I think the Snowbirds operate this way. The crew chief gets his name on the
aircraft along with the pilot an nav if there is one.
Ed
Ed

wrote:

"Gord Beaman" ) wrote:
wrote:

Good questions. The RCAF seems to prefer twin-engined fighters too.

Anyone?

I've heard it mentioned that the reason for that is the
comparatively much greater distances between available airports
in Canada mandating the added reliability of twins.

The USAF's 317th FIS based at Elmendorf AFB (Anchorage, AK) flew
single-engine fighters (F-102's) for 12-years.

-Mike Marron

No doubt but I guess that the gov't just prefers twins when
available for the reason I mentioned. I'm sure that bush pilots
flew singles all over the north desolation for a lot more years
than that too but I'm also sure that they'd have preferred twins.
You use what you have to I guess.
--

-Gord.

You had the same trade as my father. He also worked in the radar lab in what
he called the "White House" near the tower, but when he was there it was for
CF-101 Voodoos. The M&W Techs (Munitions & Weapons) worked on their trailers
downstairs. Now that building is used by the Telecommunication guys.

Now all Canadian Air Force trade have been amalgamated.
Aeroengine Techs, Airframe Techs, some Instrument & Electrical Techs and
most Armament Techs (armourers) are now Aviation Techs.
All Intetgral Systems Techs, Communication & Radar Techs, most Instrument &
Electrical Techs and some Armament Techs (armourers) are now Avionics Techs.

I started as an Armament Tech, was forcefully converted to Aviation Tech and
then remustered to Avionics Tech ... so I pretty much work on the same kind
of systems you did ... just a slightly newer a/c ... but I also load
armament.

As you can see .... the Air Force trades keep changing but overall the work
is the same. Keep them flying & fighting!

Pat

"Ed Majden" a écrit dans le message de
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"patrick savoie"
Your time in St-Hubert & Bagotville was with which unit? Was it with 433
...
I'm with 433 right now in Bagotville.

What trade was RST?


Pat
I was there for six months in 1961 after St.Hubert's phased out the
CF100. AST was Armament Systems later called RST, Radar Systems. We were
originally under the Armament Officer but after amalgamation with Radar
Air
we were under Avionics. Before I got out, this became ComRadarSystems.
Now
I think they just call it Avionics. I can't remember what CF100 Sqn was
there, I worked in the radar lab in the Armament building. We were
upstairs
and the M&W's were down stairs. In St. Hubert's we worked for 425 and 416
Squadrons.
Ed

We have a CF-100 guarding the gate in Bagotville, along with a CF-5, CF-101,
Sabre, H19 helicopter, T-33 and, believe it or not, a MIG-19 from the Czech
republic!

I believe the CF-100 has a No. 413 'Tusker' AW (F) Squadron paint scheme ...
I'll check it out tomorrow.

Pat

"av8r" a écrit dans le message de
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Hi Ed

No. 413 'Tusker' AW (F) Squadron flew the CF-100 MK. 5 at R.C.A.F.
Station Bagotville from the 1st of May 1957 to the end of December 1961.

No. 432 'Black Cougar' AW (F) Squadron flew the CF-100 Mk. 5 at R.C.A.F.
Station Bagotville from June 1956 to the 15th of October 1961.

Cheers...Chris

In the CF-18 world maintenance personnel are directly part of Squadron. It
is not the same in other fleets. I know the Herc maintenance is centralized.
For sure squadron with their own maint pers usually have better moral, also
it helps a lot to have the maint pers close to the Ops pers. For us it helps
to know the history of our a/c .. hard to do that with central maint.

As for being assigned to a specific a/c. That only works for the servicing
crew in the USAF and isn't always set in stone. Maint pers do work on other
a/c, they just have a direct responsibility for the a/c they are assigned
too. With the manpower shortage in the CAF I don't believe assigning someone
to a specific a/c would work for us.

Pat

"Ed Majden" a écrit dans le message de
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"av8r"
Hi Ed

No. 413 'Tusker' AW (F) Squadron flew the CF-100 MK. 5 at R.C.A.F.
Station Bagotville from the 1st of May 1957 to the end of December 1961.

No. 432 'Black Cougar' AW (F) Squadron flew the CF-100 Mk. 5 at R.C.A.F.
Station Bagotville from June 1956 to the 15th of October 1961.

Cheers...Chris


Chris:
Thanks. Now I remember. We didn't belong to the squardrons, as we
went
to Central Servicing. Central Maintenance, and Labs. We worked on any
Squadron aircraft. When I first went overseas we belonged to a squadron.
I
was with 423 at 2(F)Wing but when we got the CF-104's we went to this
central manpower pool system and you were assigned as base personnel. I
think they are again back to the squadron system as it is better for
moral.
I think the USAF has a neat system! Your assigned to an airplane with its
aircrew. Better communication this way between the aircrew and ground
crew.
I think the Snowbirds operate this way. The crew chief gets his name on
the
aircraft along with the pilot an nav if there is one.
Ed
Ed

Ed Majden wrote:

Do a google search for the "Comox Air Museum". The base entrance has
Knight Hawk One, a CF-101 Voodoo from 409 Squadron at the main gate. The
Air Park has a number of aircraft including a Czech Mig 21. They traded a
Tudor for a Vampire and are in the process or restoring a Spitfire. Too bad
they don't have a Lancaster as they flew out of Comox in an antisub patrol
mode before they got the Neptune. They have a CF-100, Vertol H21, Argus.
T-33, CF104, Tudor, Dakota, Tracker, etc. Quite a nice indoor museum also.
Well worth a visot if your ever out to the west coast. I guess they need a
Neptune and a Canso Flying boat. Hard to find these days I guess.
Ed


A "Tudor"? Was it one of these:
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contri...borg/2799.htm? ;^)
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Ed Majden wrote:

Wow! Unfortunately, no. The Canadair Tudor was the primary dual place
jet trainer for the RCAF/CAF. It has been replaced by the British Hawk jet
trainer. The Snowbirds, the air force aerobatic air demonstration team
still fly the Tudor in a 9 plane formation. They often visit airshows in
the USA. Have a look at the Comox site for a pic. I bet they wish they had
your Tudor on display. Never seen one of these! You could also do a search
for the "Snowbirds Air Demonstration Team".
Cheers:
Ed

You over-looked my ;^), Ed. I was pointing out that the CT-114 was the
"Tutor", not the "Tudor" -- one a/c is a named for a type of teacher,
the other, for a bunch of Welsh thugs (Henry VII, Henry VIII, Edward
VI, Bloody Mary and Elizabeth) who sat on the throne of England after
the Wars of the Roses.

BTW, Avro also built a "Tutor" as a replacement for their 504K during
the 1930s.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Hello

Don't want to nitpick but it is the CT-144 Tutor, not Tudor (see
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/equip/equip1f_e.htm ). Built by Canadair in
St-Laurent (Montreal). Used for a long time as primary jet trainer and also
Malasia bought some as close interdiction a/c. Now only used by the Snowbirs
Air Demo team (see
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/15w...dron/431_e.asp ) but many of the
old airframes are used in our training school to teach basic a/c maint so
all the young techs get to know these well.

With the present flight training system in place for the CAF there is a
buisness consortium that supplies a/c (Hawks, see
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/equip/equip1p_e.htm and
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/15w...n/2cffts_e.asp), facilities
and maint .... only the pilots are military.


"Ed Majden" a écrit dans le message de
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"Andrew Chaplin"
A "Tudor"? Was it one of these:
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contri...borg/2799.htm? ;^)
--

Wow! Unfortunately, no. The Canadair Tudor was the primary dual
place
jet trainer for the RCAF/CAF. It has been replaced by the British Hawk
jet
trainer. The Snowbirds, the air force aerobatic air demonstration team
still fly the Tudor in a 9 plane formation. They often visit airshows in
the USA. Have a look at the Comox site for a pic. I bet they wish they
had
your Tudor on display. Never seen one of these! You could also do a
search
for the "Snowbirds Air Demonstration Team".
Cheers:
Ed

"Andrew Chaplin"
You over-looked my ;^), Ed. I was pointing out that the CT-114 was the
"Tutor", not the "Tudor" -- one a/c is a named for a type of teacher,
the other, for a bunch of Welsh thugs (Henry VII, Henry VIII, Edward
VI, Bloody Mary and Elizabeth) who sat on the throne of England after
the Wars of the Roses.

I thought that was probably the case! ;-) A typo,just not paying
attention to my typing!

Ed